Should Kylo Ren be Redeemed?

Should he be redeemed? I believe he shouldn't and that would make him different from Anakin's story. Can he be redeemed? I believe so, because if a guy who killed defenseless children can be redeemed, don't see why he couldn't be redeemed as well.

 

If he is redeemed I will never watch another Star Wars film again. The only way Hans death works is if he stays dark side till his dying breath.

 

Anakin had a far darker background than Kylo. Dude killed children ... And much of them.

 

We CAN NOT and I'll repeat CAN NOT keep having the skywalker family line going dark then returning or 60 years from now my great great grandson will know what will happen before the next movie comes out! This is it man! Enough is enough he has to stay bad or I;m gonna get sick!

 

Well, you're right, I forgot about the academy

 

Personally, I think the idea that anyone can be redeemed is quite important to Star Wars.

Anakin killed younglings, and the mother of his children.
Ben Solo killed padawans and his father.

What makes Ben any less redeemable than Anakin?

 

I think Ben redeems himself and he does it at a much more gradual pace. He realizes his importance in the world. I find it very difficult for Rey to kill Kylo.

 

I am throwing in a resounding 'Yes'!

I finished reading the book and there it is elaborated that Ben had been haunted by Snoke all his life. Snoke has only been waiting in the wings, reaching and manipulating the child whenever he could.

It says that when Kylo removes the mask on the bridge, it's the first time Han sees his son as a grown man, so how old exactly was Ben when he turned dark?

And some of the things he believes... he truly believes that the FO will restore order to a galaxy left in disarray and anarchy by the Republic, like... HE LITERALLY BELIEVES THAT.

When JJ and Adam said that Kylo is not a fully formed person they were not kidding.
He is like the dark side Forcie version of Finn, raised from childhood to do one thing: play the hound for Snoke, always spoonfed lies about how he should love the dark side, because his grandfather was Vader and if he isn't doing that, he is failing him (Remember Rey's line? "You're afraid you will never be as powerful as Vader")
I bet you that Snoke had trained him to believe that he is just not dark and evil enough to be that powerful while deliebrately holding him low.
And killing Han should have liberated him from his doubt and the light side.

Just, I don't think it does.

I'm pretty sure that it was a younger Kylo who protected Rey (either his sister or his cousin) during the academy raid, dropping her off on Jakku to keep her safely out of the way.
And the way he acts with her, he's gentle and careful and genuinely interested and curious for her.
The way he crouches, that's what a gangly teenager would do.

Is Kylo disturbed? Holy hell, yes.
Is he a victim? In my opinion, I think yes.
Does that justify what he does? No.
But I think Kylo will actually always somehow protect Rey and I'd love to see a slow redemption story line for him, where he deliberately decides at some point to forsake the dark side and not like Vader decide on a moment's notice that he does not want his family member grilled by Force lightning.

EU, Anakin storyline. Or maybe even the Kyp Duron storyline. The EU is full of it.
Luke's students were not the most stable bunch ^^

 

Darth Vader killed Obi-Wan Kenobi before being redeemed, plus younglings and everyone else. If you can kill children and still be redeemed, I guess you can also murder your father and be redeemed. Though at least Vader had the honor of dueling Kenobi, and not just killing him out of nowhere, whereas Ren was without honor in the way he killed his father.

 

I have a feeling if you have children you let them get away with everything and spoil them rotten. If that is true its OK cause I do to.

Moving on... The reason it cant happen is because we need a VILLIAN that stays a VILLIAN for the good guys to fight. We can't keep falling in love with the bad guys. We NEED A REAL BAD GUY TO THE END. They need to eventually make a character that we (even though we like rooting for the bad asses) can't stomach. We need real drama here. Real resentment. None of this, "oh he had a hard life and this is why he did it crap and I think there is still good in him poo poo."

That is over. OVER! Time to get on with the the meanest most miserable hated character of star wars or we'll be spinning our thumbs for 30 more years.

 

well, we do have Snoke and we have Hux.
And Tarkin dies on the first death star, which was a tragedy because that guy was a thousand times more evil than Vader. (I still miss him, Oh Wilhuff!)

I mean, the great evil is clearly Snoke. And Hux is deliciously bad guy, too, so we have no shortage there. Though I must admit I would miss the silent snark offs between Kylo and Hux.

 

I thought Padme died of a broken heart

 

Exactly... why is it so hard for people to see this.

 

Are there any other things in the book that were not shown in the movie? Where did Maz Kanata get the lightsaber? Which planet was destroyed by Starkiller Base (Hosnian Prime)? What was the fate of Phasma? How or why did R2D2 reactivate?

 

The problem with that is I think Snoke is being developed as a throw away character. I think we all can agree that Snoke is going to get killed by a Jedi before he dies in his sleep. He don't matter. The real story will be with Kylo and how he develops. I hope.

 

Interesting how Anakin was trained Jedi but leaned towards and was seduced by the dark side.
Ben was trained Dark but again has conflicts this time by the light.

Anyhow I called it, Rey & Ben VS Snoke episode IX

 

book discussion threads are here and here

 

Ill put in the prequels and watch them over and over again in a locked room for 3 months with only bread and water just to torture myself if that happens.