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Should Kylo Ren be Redeemed?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Laggamaroo, Dec 18, 2015.

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Would you accept Kylo Ren if he turns to the Light Side after everything he's done?

  1. Yes, if it's done well.

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  2. No, that would ruin the story.

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  3. Only if he dies in the process.

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    Nah. He's gonna stay evil.
     
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    We know Anakin redeemed himself in the end, even after slaughtering countless innocent lives. But that redemption was convenient in the sense that he died in the process. We didn't have to live with the awkwardness of him having a good life after all of the evil he had done.

    By killing his father, Kylo Ren has done what many would consider unforgivable. So would you accept Kylo Ren if he redeems himself in Episode 8 or 9?
     
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    He killed Solo. No way.
     
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    No. Like all emo's, they are not to be trusted. ;)
     
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    Well seeing how TFA sequels are probably gonna be like empire and return of the jedi, I could see Kylo Redeem himself but dying in the process like Vader did. But I hope they keep him evil til the end.
     
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    I think it would be really neat to see Kylo redeemed in VIII, and then we see the fallout and consequences of his actions in IX.
    One thing that makes the OT interesting is the fact that Vader is redeemed. He could have simply died a bad guy, end of story. But even after all he did, there was hope for restoration. I feel the same way about Kylo Ren.

    Now, Kylo is a more interesting story to watch unfold. Unlike Anakin who "became" Vader, we see Kylo struggling with he who is, who he wants to be, and who he doesn't want to be. Anakin sorta had that, Vader didn't. But notice the switch, because Kylo doesn't have that to the same degree. He says he feels the pull to the light! And if the book is correct:
    That he doesn't get consumed by the Dark Side when he kills Han
    Then we have more reason to believe he could be redeemed.
     
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    Vader did not commit FRATRICIDE

    end of story
     
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    I agree... I think that he will be redeemed by Luke or Rey and will die risking his life in the end, possibly saving his mother Leia.
     
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    Well, that's the thing. I don't want him to die after being redeemed. I want to see what the galaxy thinks of him. Will he be punished for war crimes? Will they know who he was? Will that cause a civil war within the Resistance and Republic if it's known?
    Vader didn't get that. A handful of people know he was redeemed, but he died before anything could happen. I want to see consequences!
     
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    No
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    ;)
     
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    I totally agree with this, but I think people's view of this will greatly depend on their world view - can a truly evil person actually be redeemed? Honestly I don't think the public would respond well to a Kylo Ren turning back to the light and not dying. Disney wants to appeal to as many people as possible so I don't see them going in this direction.

    But I personally would love to see it. He would have to deal with the consequences of his actions, that can't be undone. Imagine the galaxy needing the help of a known murderer. Imagine the murderer now having to live with what he has done. That could be amazing, but probably not a Star Wars movie that would sell to the public.
     
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    This is really weird to me.

    Anakin murdered children, tortured his own daughter, killed Obi-Wan, etc etc

    Let me say that again:
    Anakin murdered children.

    And it wasn't an accident; it was cold-blooded f*ing murder.
    He MURDERED F-ING LITTLE KIDS.

    And you're telling me Anakin can be redeemed but Kylo can't because he killed Han?
    Thinking that a child killer (who killed not one, not two, not three, but multiple children in cold blood) can be "redeemed" but Kylo can't indicates a pretty nasty moral glitch in thinking IMO...
     
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    Oh, to be sure! I think it greatly depends on the writing. It could feel heavy handed, or it could be to light, or it could hit the sweet spot! It really relies on how the story goes and is effected by this.
    Star Wars has used some pretty heavy story telling (Main character's dad is a killer space man), and yet makes it 'easy' (relatively speaking) to watch. It's not that the story becomes cheesy, but it makes its own way of telling a heavy plot.
     
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    Again, weird moral glitch.

    Murdering multiple children is not as bad as fratricide.
    :rolleyes:

    No offense, but this kind of thinking exposes some pretty serious flaws in how we view evil...
     
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    On one hand, NOOOO!

    On the other, if they can mess with our emotions on Game of Thrones.. Why not on Star Wars?
     
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    If I can come to the defense of those I disagree with, it may be simply from a storytelling perspective. Kylo killing Han is made a big deal. Anakin killing young children (I will never use that other word) really had no emotional impact on most people who watched that scene. So for us the viewer, killing Han is a much worse crime than killing children we don't see or care about.
     
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    If Anakin lived beyond the second Death Star, there is no way that he wouldn't suffer the consequences. It was just convenient to kill him, to underline his sacrifice for Luke and so Luke and Leia wouldn't have to live with the baggage (though they probably did anyway).

    We don't know what else Kylo Ben did except destroying Luke's school and killing Han. Either way, it would be interesting not to redeem him, but make him anti-Luke who struggles with the Light to the end and finally becomes fully dark just before Rey cuts off his head. In other words, I don't want him redeemed, no, no, no.

    But, if they go by that route - I want to see the consequences. Serious consequences.
     
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    The poll is important and was missing from the old one.
     
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