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Should Lightsabers Be "Special"?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Oola, Oct 1, 2015.

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Should lightsabers be exlusive to Force users?

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  2. No

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  1. Oola

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    Let me preface this by saying that there's a thread similar to this one but without a poll. And I really think this topic could use a poll.

    Should lightsabers be exclusive to Force users? This rumor that every storm trooper might have one in the ST has me wondering if JJ is about to kill their magic. :(
     
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    Isn't the idea of a lightsaber that you need the force to properly guide it? Otherwise it would be too big a danger for yourself.
     
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    My answer would be ''YES''.
    Lightsabers should be special, and not something everyone has.

    Other people can use something else, like electrostaff.
     
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    I'm down the middle on this one. The first time I saw the leaked concept art of Capt. Phasma I was like yyyyessss. The art of Mcquarrie renders storm troopers with white imperial style sabers. Ii feel it depends on the story and which direction they've taken it. I personally am a very open minded person and I love the villans of the saga. I think it would be really freakin dope if Phasma went up against Rey or Finn and not only with sabers, but with a battle of ideology over why the light saber is better used in military situations and should not be exclusive to jedi only as her opponent bashes her carnal industrial view of a sacred weapon. See where I'm going with this? And knowing JJ and HIS love for star wars villains and the OT concepts, don't be surprised if we do see industrial first order sabers in use. "Surprises and twists" ,Oscar Isaac.
     
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    I do not mind Han picking up Luke's light saber to cut open a Tauntaun or someone trying to defend themselves with a light saber, because that is the nearest weapon that they could find, but I feel that only force-sensitive humans and aliens should be proficient with light sabers. I do not have strong arguments to support my opinion, it is more of a feeling that light sabers are special weapons that only can wielded by extra-ordinary people (i.e., ones that are force sensitive).
     
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    Should light-sabers be specific to force users? Perhaps they should be.

    I think light-sabers are "special" regardless of the force-ability of those who attempt to use one.

    Even if you have one, that doesn't mean you're able to use it or even capable of using it properly. You could very well be a danger to yourself and others.
     
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    This bit right here is why I think that lightsabers should mostly stick with those that are force sensitive no matter their alignment. You are wielding a steel melting, laser reflecting, cuts-flesh-like-butter plasma blade that requires very little force -- literal or otherwise -- to achieve what you want from it. Someone that's trained to use it without force powers could easily be proficient but only someone trained with the force or capable of mild force precognition could really use it to its full potential, especially the laser reflecting part. Any one else would probably cause severe injury or death.

    Try playing around with a toy lightsaber sometime. If you're not trained with any sort of weapons combat skills I'd wager that you'd hit yourself a couple of times just trying to imitate the battles we've seen. That would be deadly if lightsabers were real.
     
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    I don't have a problem with First Order troopers having sabers because I believe the First Order is more of a Dark Side cult than the Empire was. Remember that they consider Vader to be a martyr, and "Aftermath" implies that the First Order may come out of a group of Imperials who retreat beyond the galaxy to search for the source of the Dark Side.
    The discrepancy between a Force user and a soldier using a saber may be a point in the films anyway. It reminds me of Japanese soldiers carrying katanas into WWII even if they weren't descended from a Samurai family. There was a trend in Japan for everyone to identify with the spirit of Bushido, which would have actually made most real Samurai angry.
    I also grew up believing that the lightsaber used to be a normal weapon in ancient Star Wars history and it was the Jedi and Sith who kept the tradition alive even as more "uncivilized" weapons were invented. This, again, is like some Samurai who refused to use guns. It is the Force that makes the Jedi and Sith exceptional with sabers, but we have seen in canon that it is not necessary to have the Force in order to use it effectively.
    So my answer is yes and no.
     
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    I think they should primarily be used by force users.

    But what is most important to me, is that only force users be able to construct them. IF they choose to have stormies use lightsabers as standard issue equipment, then they best darned have a bunch of little old Knights of Ren constantly constructing them to keep up with demand.

    However, by all accounts... and from 100% authentic and known information.... KYLO RENS LIGHTSABER IS AMATEUR IN CREATION.

    If lightsabers have become standard issue, and are mass produced by the First Order... then he shouldnt have had the difficulty or half-assed design that is appaerant and intentional.
     
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    Of course 2 dum dums can play fight with sabers but all a force user would have to do is turn off or pull the opponent's saber out of their hand and game over.
     
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    Boom.
    That's a deal-breaker for me.

    Moreover, lightsabers don't become any less special when "everyone or anyone has one, or can have one" per se, they become less special when you don't feel engaged in the drama of one guy (or gal) duelling with their opponent in a battle of wits and emotion which has been established and developed over the course of the movie(s)... which is a symptom of everone or anyone having one.
    They are not - and should not be - special because some in-universe rule dictates they have to be, they are special because the requirements of simple dramatic narrative benefit from them being used sparingly, wisely and effectively as a storytelling tool.
    I mean, Luke and Vader could have been duelling with broom-handles in TESB - it would have been the same emotionally-charged scene.
     
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    I always thought light sabers were special because the Jedi and Sith had to build them during their training.(lightsaber)
     
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    Everyone having them cheapens them. Lightsabers should be special, and their usage kept to a minimum. I hope to only see Kylo, Finn, and Rey use one in battle. That rumor is unsubstantiated. Captain Phasma may use a lightsaber (to further cement her OMG NEW BOBA status in a bit of hardcore fan pandering) but def not all stormtroopers.
     
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    If you haven't seen the update, they are saying that it is likely that not every trooper (maybe none?) carries a lightsaber.
    I don't know if they mean that they all train in using sabers but don't carry them into battle (perhaps to judge if they are good at it?), or if there is a special kind of trooper that uses them? One thing to keep in mind is that they also use shields, which hints that they need the extra protection as opposed to Jedi and Sith.
    I'm not putting much stock into this rumor (though I have always loved the original idea), especially since Kylo's saber seems so unstable. Though I have to wonder about the other Knights of Ren. Do they carry sabers? If so, why does Kylo have such an unstable lightsaber? Maybe it isn't as poorly built as we think, but more rough by design to reflect him as a person "The lightsaber is something that he built himself, and is as dangerous and as fierce and as ragged as the character.” He might like the look and feel of it over a more conventional one. But that doesn't account for the protruding wires unless it was recently damaged and he had to quickly hotwire it. I wonder if it is still possible that he used "relic" lightsaber parts and had to make it work with what he had. That would account for it being "unstable" while others use normal lightsabers.
     
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    MSW posted in their article on this topic that the first order uses synthetic "PLASMA" blades as opposed to the authentic jedi/sith blades produced by kyber crystals. This is one of the reasons Kylo is on the hunt down after Luke's saber, for the technology of the REAL thing. If true and we see that Kylo's is really rough around the edges brings about questions. Perhaps Kylo only being affiliated and not an actual member of the first order would shed light on why the storm troopers sabers would be more refined. They would be mass produced on an assembly line. Kylo is from an isolated cult type group like the sith which COULD explain the ugly design of his what we THINK is a light saber and may not actually be one. Perhaps plasma technology is the new synthetic way of making a weapon that APPEARS to be a light saber but is not. In a time of no jedi, kyber krystal technology would be highly valued and greatly sought after by those wanting to not only wield the force, but a weapon that is connected to the force as well.
     
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    this idiocy over plasma again?

    ALL LIgHTSABERS HAVE PLASMA BLADES
     
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    I'm just speculating over a topic someone else posted. And yes PLASMA! I know nothing of it which is why it's called SPECULATION. :cool:
     
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    Also, that wasnt the article... that was a comment on the article... if you cannot discern between an article and the comments on it, you rEALLY shouldn't be participating in any sort of discussion.
     
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    Simmer down dude. I didn't say that was the only topic in the whole freakin' article. I said it was posted IN their article.
     
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    something posted by osmeone in reply to an article, is not smeothing found within the contents of thea rticle.
     
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