Snoke remains mystery in The last Jedi

Great shot, I must've missed this, I hope he doesn't try to copy Vader's apology accepted quote, that was a memorable one,. no need for cloning.

 

If they don't do Plaguies with Snoke, it will be very easy for Snoke to become the new "midichlorians". Another potential Snoke could be Emperor advisor Yupe Tashu. I have not read all of what happen to Yupe yet, but he could have survived and also gained use of the Force from Jakku's "life force" somehow.

Yupe Tashu would be known by the Imperial Remnants that became the FO and they might accept him if he also can now use the Force. He was trained by Palpatine and may have even had more Dark Side knowledge (history etc...) than Sideous or Vader.

 

Except that Yupe is human. It's been verified numerous times that Snoke is an alien species.

 

I don't think I can handle another year and a half of these crazy theories that make %0 sense..

 

That shot is from King Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Andy_Serkis_-_King_Kong.jpg

 

100% agree. Otherwise, those lines make no sense. I actually think it winds up that those lines will never make sense. The way they were delivered by Carrie (poorly), it seemed like a late addition/tacked on scene, when they thought Snoke was going to be one thing and now he's morphed into something else. I'm starting to come to the opinion that "Snoke" was a JJ/Kasdan creation that they had no real idea/vision of a backstory for. They created him as a placeholder big bad, hoping his story would get fleshed out later. I think the story team has kind of created who he is as they go, with his story shifting behind the scenes as time goes on. I actually think they still don't know with certainty where they really want to go with him. They just know he's some new big bad from the unknown regions, and now they've added the layer that he's "rich" and "well-liked." But beyond that, his backstory is shifting.

This is just one guy's opinion, but with the way he was introduced in TFA, and with the wooden/silly way Leia mentions him in TFA, and with all comments made about him publicly, and what we know about him now in TLJ, and with the fact that his story isn't touched on too much in TLJ...it seems as there hasn't really been a clear vision from the start on "who" Snoke is/is not.

With all that being said, I totally agree that unless they explain that Han/Leia had some knowledge of Snoke, interactions with him, or that he's some well-known dude in the universe, it makes zero sense for them to refer to him by name in a way that indicates they are intimately familiar with him.

 

the problem is, how do you add levity to the threat in this new trilogy without some type of force based big bad pushing things forward for the dark side. snoke has to be pitted against luke's abilities/insight in some way to up the stakes. so far he's presented as generic bad guy in the mold of darth plagueis but that's not gonna cut it for another movie, methinks. but i also think johnson is gonna hit it out the park. so whatever he does with snoke and he has to do something, it should be pretty interesting.

 

Another problem with Tashu is that there'd be a mixed payoff.

Fans of the books (by far the minority of the audience) would smugly sit there and have a decent payoff, at best. "Huh, that creepy dude from the Aftermath novels! That's a kinda neat tie in."

People who haven't read the book wouldn't really know who he was at all. Same goes for Gallius, by the way.

I suppose they could do a sort of reintroduction of them for moviegoers (after all, a major theory is that Snoke isn't anyone we've met before, anyway) but I think it would be awkward.

Makes me think of Assassins Creed III. In the modern day segment, they introduce a villain who was a big part of the comics. Unfortunately, if you hadn't read the comics, you had no idea who he was- and since the comics was where the majority of his development was, the guy ended up being about as generic of a villain as you could get.

Hopefully that's not Snoke's fate.

 

Or Snoke is simply a character destined to be swept aside as Kylo rises. Not that Snoke is minor in position but minor in effect. He is the "wise" leader. Whatever his own back story is he might simply be the master that our young dark sider supplants.

Kylo is already the villain at the heart of things. He betrayed Luke and destroyed a generation of Jedi. Sure it might have been Snoke's plan and influence but Kylo delivered the Judas kiss so to speak unless the back story Han gave stars a different pupil. He broke Han and Leia's happily ever after. And we saw him face his Test killing his father. Kylo is the villain getting the proverbial Vader baton. Every elevation of Snoke distances the story from the nephew/son antagonist to whatever Snoke is.

Personally this seems like Rey and Kylo's story. At least as it pertains to the legacy of Vader/Anakin.

Luke is getting old he has been wracked by guilt and conflict. If he is the great Wizard we expect it is his return from the edge of madness and obscurity.

A young raging dark sider in his prime and a bevy of knights seems a great foil to Luke and Rey.

The need for awesome powers in Snoke is tied to the desire to see Uber Luke. We might not get that and perhaps not right away.

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Let's remember that the default villain after ROTJ was disembodied Sith spirit that possesed one of Luke's students while at the Massi temple on Yavin 4. Undead Exar Kun caused a lot of havok. Isn't that were the "debunked anciet fear" rumors came from. Snoke could be Fredon Nadd or Exar Kun from tge old EU.

That might be how he at first started interfering with Ben. The heroes were simply there where some dark side spirit had access. As he grew in power feeding off Ben's power corrupting him he was able to take form. Once he had a form he could influence Imps and rose to power. His connection to Ben lead to the betrayal.

 

But the agenda is obvious! He destroyed multiple worlds, and destroyed the government of the New Republic. He is completely unsubtle.

 

To be fair : that's mostly Hux's idea & method. Hux is the one making the long rant against the Republic. Snoke only reluctantly agrees there :

Interesting to see Snoke hesitant to use the superweapon : is he worried about precipiting his plans, or does he genuinely feel an ounce of regret ?

 

Of course the damage happened in the past.

I quoted and commented on his agenda. You gave the impression that the agenda was hidden. Clearly destroying the republic and the Resistance aren't hidden.

 

The quote from Serkis is from prior to TFA. Back when we had 0 details on Snoke and little of the 1st order. So their agenda was unknown. Now we see the intent was to cripple the Republic and destroy the Resistance.

How he was hurt, hurt the extent of his powers and who he was before influencing Ben. That is still in question.

 

Hux suggested that the time had come. To use the weapon. I think that is reading into the scene that Snoke was against the idea. He is the Supreme Leader of the first Order. If its not HIS agenda he needs another title.