That RT user score...

Rather than the 'hard core' haters skewing the figures maybe it is the other way around.

I still refuse to accept that critics would universally give this film a high rating.

Whatever the reason for them doing so, it is not because the film was good.

As highlighted already, rather than concentrating on RT and other American review sites, look at review sites in other countries.

 

The user score is indicative of SOMETHING in the fan base, but I dont believe it is representative of how the average movie goer feel about it. Far from it.

 

In my circle of people, my friends, people I know I am sure approval rate can not be above 50% in fact, but my friends and I are small sample.

Never in 46 years of my life did I found my film experience to be so diametrically oposite to what critics say.

Universal acclaim? I can not believe what I am hearing on some agregation metascore sites. This looks like brain washing, I must say this.

 

Will you please stop with this "they were bribed" bs. I liked the film and so did other people, it's not an inconceivable thing. Maybe it because Star Wars is still a very American product, a franchise film. So it appeals to American critics more.

People in my friend group mainly enjoyed it, except for my French friend. They hate the PT like me though, and see ST as being way way above it.

 

sure Transformers fans may appreciate it. Explosions are everything that counts.

 

If you're comparing TLJ to something like transformers, you definitely have an agenda bias.

TLJ isn't a bad movie by technical merits, or even story ones. I've seen some bad movies, like the later madea and parodies like Epic movies. The latter of which made me vomit. I saw them because a friend thought they were funny, she is no longer my friend,

 

I never said it was about bribes ???

Still don't understand why it would get 'universally' appraised like that. Some critics would logically agree with the fans don't you think ? 93 % vs 56 % on RT. That does not make sense. Remember, we are talking about Star Wars here. The most important and loved film franchise in history.

 

Sorry. Other people on this thread have been insinuating that and getting defensive over it.

See TFA's score.

 

If your friends are anything like you I'm not surprised.

It's just the opposite for me. However, most people I know weren't obsessed with Rey being related to Anakin.

 

Critics were likely ready for something weird and different from the franchise, which is 40 years old and never really taken seriously by the film industry other than being a cash cow and historical piece that they all study in film school for both film and business reasons. Most of the reviews are fresh on the franchise, but do have balanced criticisms of the film itself. They're saying that the 'state of the franchise' is fresher today because of the film despite it's flaws. I think most fans still maintain that the film has some problems (Canto Bight adventure will be discussed for the next 2 years, lol) but appreciate where RJ took risks and unapologetically played with audience expectations. Critics like that auteur stuff too.

 

Weren't you another one of the "if Rey isn't related to Anakin I'll quit watching the films" people?

I'm noticing a pattern here.

 

I'm from the group either related to or at least giving Luke a worthy treatment. Neither was done, so....worst case.

 

Luke's treatment as phenomenal. He goes out the legend. Bravo.

 

I think Scrimshaw said something like this on Forcecenter: "He finally gets his horizon." Beautiful.

 

He was already a legend in TFA, so no progress and instead we saw broken Luke.

 

The film did not cater to fans and the advertising for the film was kind of low, I’ll admit it. The film is still great, but I think the rotten tomato audience score is accurate, Disney pissed a lot of fans off, I still enjoyed the film but I get why there is an outrage.

 

Good reasoning. The user score split is 50/50, seems accurate.

 

Seeing the film twice, with approx 8 friends in total across two viewings, only 1 really loved it. The rest, like me found it quite meh and underwhelming.

I would probably image this type of film to have the 'marmite effect' - you either love it or hate it, due to the very different film TLJ comprises of. Having a look on IMDB/RT the reviews of fans seem to match this.

I am seeing a correlation between friends in loving the more adult RO and not enjoying the ST as much. Could be a demographic thing of how people view what SW should be?

I'm not one for abuse, it's SWs after all! “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

 

I read two interesting articles today on the italian press.
One in the main journal of the country (corriere della sera) the other in a online journal, but well "accredited"...
meaning one of those people take as a serious newspaper.

And I'll start with the latter.
In short they say the critics put the SW movies in the same "championship" of the Entertainment movies.
Meaning, they judge the SW movies in relation to the Marvels ones, and other things like that.
And form this point of view, it's a far better one.
You may call it a masterpiece if compared to those, not if comperade to Shinderlist or Blade Runner or Alien (that's mine just to let you understand)
but they also say (so this is not mine) not even in comparison with the first 3 SW, that they judge all time masterpieces (same championship, as Shinderlist or Alien etc..).

The other one, is a personal comment, from a journalist who's also a SW fan.
And he starts saying that he had to wait 5 days before writing it, because he had to put aside (somehow) his personal
feelings.
The conclusion he came is that he cannot say in all honesty that TLJ is a bad movie.
But a good one... if one takes it as an entertaining movie.
But personally, he missed (to the point of feeling depressed) the "epic narrative",
something that - to him - made the SW saga something different, unique, if compared to the rest of the "entertaining movies".

Of course, you may not agree (I do), but it's interesting - IMO - because it looks like people are starting
to think about it a little bit more seriusly.

Again, I don't think there was any comspiration, not from the press+disney nor by the some fans.
It's a little bit more complicated.. or easer (depends form the pov)

 

Tuesday morning viewing, no die-hards, just an ordinary audience. Applauding. Enough said.