The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

I wish the fandom wasn't so attached... like using phrases that say "a part me died"...It comes off wrong in my head for whatever reason.

 

It's the use of examples like this that go to show how lacking the analysis in these articles turns out to be. First of all, if anyone is made to look like a fool in the entire opening sequence of TLJ, it's easily Leia. One has to wonder how the Resistance has managed to survive this long by simply allowing their commanders to wrest control of the entire fleet away with the simple push of a button. The comparison to Luke's predicament is also pretty ridiculous as they link the moment where he pushes a button to turn off the targeting computer. However, that isn't even remotely similar to him disobeying orders. Not even close. It's not even a case of him doing something foolhardy. Not to mention that he doesn't even get anyone killed since he was only ever taking the shot in the first place due to the simple fact that he was among the few left who could after all the casualties suffered earlier in the battle.

 

but that's for them. you just do you and enjoy Star Wars your own way. : D

 

No, she's a fool for allowing Poe to waltz off to an unauthorized bombing attempt that she knew was going to end up failing anyway. She's a fool for doing this knowing that Poe could simply wrest control of the entire fleet from her at anytime and nothing could be done to stop it.

 

It's almost as if Yoda's dialogue in every single movie is just erased from people's heads.

 

Same thing happened to Luke and no one who likes this film really cares about that either.

 

The Skywalkers dying off is fine?

 

no, what i said was "the Skywalkers will be fine".

of course i want Ben to get his crap together and live ~ but i don't feel the need to hold onto the bloodline in the long run.
and i don't want some convoluted story of some random love-child cropping up in the 11th hour either.

Luke and his heroic legacy is bigger than the mere biology of the Skywalker bloodline.
to me that's what's most important.
it will live on indefinitely (like Superman!).
and yes, it will be fine. : D

 

I wish I had your confidence.

 

Luke's ability to let go of the past wasn't always consistent - which is a part of why we relate to him more than Rey....isn't it? He listens to Obi-Wan in the trench. But then when challenged later, he doubts his abilities on Dagobah, and maintains his fears walking into the cave. He strikes at the Emperor but ultimately makes the right decision at the very end after taking his father's hand in combat.

Isn't Luke's struggle with light and dark part of why his story still stands out, way more than Rey? Even the fans who like TLJ would agree with that.

 

I meant in The Last Jedi, dude. After Luke has had 30 years to internalize his lessons.

 

He internalized his shame and guilt over invading Ben's privacy and reacting the way he did.

 

Leia- A fool for not somehow stopping Poe (already in space, well out of her reach) from going on a bombing run... even though the script reads:

Holdo- A fool for refusing to divulge sensitive information to a brash and irresponsible young pilot who just caused the Resistance fleet to experience unnecessary heavy losses

Rey- A Mary Sue because she's good at some stuff

Poe- An amazing character who is incredibly good at a ton of stuff, constantly flubs up, and acts entitled to make martial decisions above his rank.



Man, some fans are have an interesting standard for characters. Wait, is "interesting" the word?

 

And she was entirely incapable of telling the rest of the fleet to abort this supposedly pointless and suicidal effort and that the man leading it was committing treason because...?

--- Double Post Merged, May 23, 2018, Original Post Date: May 23, 2018 ---

I like how you say this but Holdo and Leia then decide to completely shrug off Poe's insubordination as "Oh, that's good ol' Poe, what a lovable scamp he is." before Holdo collides into the First Order's fleet.

 

I mean, we already have proof that she called off the attack. Poe didn't listen. We could argue all day about the decisions fictional characters make and don't make, but ultimately she didn't because she didn't.

But she had used the proper channel initially be ordering Poe. It was his responsibility to comply, and he epically failed after that.

It's honestly weird that you'd continue to try and blame Leia about that...

Yeah, dude probably should've seen court martial. No argument from me, other than I guess they were still in a combat situation and clearly needed every ace pilot they could get.

 

this is happening in the same universe in which all but one malcontent of the Inferno Squad were taken straight off the streets and into the warm bosom of the Rebellion to fight against their former Empire without scarcely a second thought. where people like Lando and Han (a known self-serving smuggler and an immediate traitor) were made Generals. [shrug].

 

That's true as well...

I mean, I guess we shouldn't expect to see Leia waterboarding a stormtrooper anytime soon, but maybe the good guys are just a little too trusting.

 

*cue in Die Another Day by Madonna*