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The Issue of Boyega, Red-Herring and Perception

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by AllHailVader, Nov 29, 2015.

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    From one angle 100%....based on the promo material.
     
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    Where has he been confirmed? Not doubting you, just wondering where that information came from.
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    That's the thing, though. Based on the promo material alone, I would be in the same boat. I'm mainly going by the MSW plot synopsis, which does not make it clear one way or the other.
     
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    Unless you believe the official trailers are edited with the intention of misdirecting the audience, it was confirmed over a year ago with the first TFA teaser trailer.
     
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    "We wanted to tell a story that had its own self-contained beginning, middle, and end but at the same time, like A New Hope, implied a history that preceded it and also hinted at a future to follow. When Star Wars first came out, it was a film that both allowed the audience to understand a new story but also to infer all sorts of exciting things that might be. In that first movie, Luke wasn’t necessarily the son of Vader, he wasn’t necessarily the brother of Leia, but it was all possible.The Force Awakens has this incredible advantage, not just of a passionate fan base but also of a backstory that is familiar to a lot of people. We’ve been able to use what came before in a very organic way, because we didn’t have to reboot anything. We didn’t have to come up with a backstory that would make sense; it’s all there. (((((((((((((But these new characters, which force is very much about,)))))))))))))) find themselves in new situations—so even if you don’t know anything about Star Wars,you’re right there with them. If you are a fan of Star Wars, what they experience will have added meaning."

    JJ Abrams
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    He is definitely Force sensitive. He has to be. Does he live through the rescue of Rey? I have been all over the place on this but I think the last tv spot indicates he will. Kylo Ren is in his control room, senses a threat, turns and draws his sword at low ready. Another scene in the same tv spot shows Han (with Chewie in the background) standing at the corner of a hallway asking Finn if he is ready for this. Ready for what? To rescue Rey from Kylo Ren? The next time we see Kylo facing off with Finn, its in the snow. We see Kylo, sans helmet, and Finn with Rey...but no Han, or Chewie. Either Han lives, and Finn dies, or Finn dies, and Han lives. MSW says Han dies. So, Finn lives. But we know also based on trailers, that he is critically wounded. So, which arm does he lose? I say his right. Long story short--Finn becomes a Jedi, after surgery and rehab, probably coming back in EP9 all out Jedi Knight.
     
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    I sincerely hope you're not implying that Finn is not present in ep VIII.

    I would actually like to witness Finn's journey to becoming a Jedi Knight.
     
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    If he's not force sensitive, and can't fly a space craft, and learned how to shoot a blaster at the Stormtrooper academy, offering himself up as a sacrifice is basically his only viable heroic avenue. Personally I think he's force-sensitive, he's probably a bad shot, and his learning how to fly will be a running gag in Ep VIII.

    Not seeing white or being "color-blind" is the definitive characteristic of being white in a white-supremacist culture. White privilege at its most fundamental is the priviligege of not having to think about your race every time you turn on the TV or leave the house. This is because the culture is optimized for your experience. This does not make you "racist" in the traditional sense, but it does mean those of us who are white are conditioned to not notice structural racism and how it pervades all aspects of our lives. Just imagine what it's like for a droid like me trying to find a cantina that serves my kind! So thankful for this place!

    You mean Finn is marketed as a furless Chewbacca in anti-black racist countries like yours?

    Agreed. The thing nobody here is talking about is that every single Jedi we've seen in the saga has been a HUGE DORK. Luke is a naive dork, Obi-Wan is an uppity dork, everybody on the Jedi Council is a dork by virtue of being on a council. The ONE exception is Yoda in ESB and even then he feigns being a dork because that's what Jedis are, DORKS. Personally I'd prefer Finn to be a freelance force user who doesn't subscribe to lame behavioral codes, stilted speech, and bad robes.
     
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    Something to CHEW on for all you NON FINN JEDI believer's



    Disney for some reason is calling the LUKE/ANAKIN saber the "Hero Lightsaber" now.

    Which means that it's no longer the just the family saber, its the HERO SABER as in FINN's.

    Rey, will get another....... probably dear old dad's
     
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    "Easier, more seductive"... understanding addiction is all a force user needs to educate themselves. If the Empire/Republic treated addiction as a health issue and not a criminal issue there might not be so many dark side users to contend with.
    More like an Anti-Hero Lightsaber. It does strange things to its wielder - watch out Finn.
     
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    So, because he was the first person we saw after Serkis said "there has been an awakening?" I think the Rey "moment" is supposed to be huge for the movie and for the saga, therefore it seems likely that there is at least some misdirection. Honestly, I think it would be strange, story wise, if Finn was force sensitive and Rey ended up taking the saber after he was beaten to fight Kylo. Two jedi leads? Sure! But, again if we're mostly going by MSW, I agree that it would be weird for Finn to be built up as a jedi, be an actual jedi, and then have someone else take over. It could still work, if that is what ends up happening. It would be quite compelling to have Finn be a hero who maybe can't make it as a jedi, due to lack of force sensitivity, but still finds his own way to be an epic hero.
     
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    They're both force sensitive. C'mon guys. Theres even new rumors coming out that even Poe is force sensitive. The FORCE awakens. Who knows what it really means, but they've said that they understand the lack of Jedi in the OT and even the weaker presence of Jedi in the prequels, We are going to see more force sensitive characters.. I believe it will be told as the comeback of the Jedi. Luke probably failed rebuilding a Jedi order, but when Rey and Finn arrive, hope is indeed found and our new heroes are the new Jedi. Having ONE Jedi, and ontop of that, a Skywalker which the fate of the galaxy always seems to depend on would make it feel very small. This is a new story and we've heard plenty of times that they rejected Lucas's original vision for this film which focused on all of Vader's grandchildren, and Skywalker centic script and instead went a different path. I believe we get ONE skywalker and the rest are original characters.
     
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    Mods--He can say that???
     
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    I can show you better than I can tell you. I had it with this thread. It's such a downer.
     
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    "We wanted to tell a story that had its own self-contained beginning, middle, and end but at the same time, like A New Hope, implied a history that preceded it and also hinted at a future to follow. When Star Wars first came out, it was a film that both allowed the audience to understand a new story but also to infer all sorts of exciting things that might be. In that first movie, Luke wasn’t necessarily the son of Vader, he wasn’t necessarily the brother of Leia, but it was all possible.The Force Awakens has this incredible advantage, not just of a passionate fan base but also of a backstory that is familiar to a lot of people. We’ve been able to use what came before in a very organic way, because we didn’t have to reboot anything. We didn’t have to come up with a backstory that would make sense; it’s all there. (((((((((((((But these new characters, which force is very much about,)))))))))))))) find themselves in new situations—so even if you don’t know anything about Star Wars,you’re right there with them. If you are a fan of Star Wars, what they experience will have added meaning."

    JJ Abrams
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    "We wanted to tell a story that had its own self-contained beginning, middle, and end but at the same time, like A New Hope, implied a history that preceded it and also hinted at a future to follow. When Star Wars first came out, it was a film that both allowed the audience to understand a new story but also to infer all sorts of exciting things that might be. In that first movie, Luke wasn’t necessarily the son of Vader, he wasn’t necessarily the brother of Leia, but it was all possible.The Force Awakens has this incredible advantage, not just of a passionate fan base but also of a backstory that is familiar to a lot of people. We’ve been able to use what came before in a very organic way, because we didn’t have to reboot anything. We didn’t have to come up with a backstory that would make sense; it’s all there. (((((((((((((But these new characters, which force is very much about,)))))))))))))) find themselves in new situations—so even if you don’t know anything about Star Wars,you’re right there with them. If you are a fan of Star Wars, what they experience will have added meaning."

    JJ Abrams
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