The Issue of Boyega, Red-Herring and Perception

One of the best Star Trek series has a black lead, another one has a female lead, they both came out more than 20 years ago. I don't know if there was any backslash regarding these choices at the time.

 

Not saying or pint pointing anything at you. You are reasonable and thoughtful. I'm speaking in general. But from my view, and this forum is far better then like all of them...it's still point of contention though. My question was a challenge for people to think and apply the same ideas to other characters. You said it wouldn't matter to you. I'm not sure eveyone would feel the same.

 

And there is also a crowd out there on both sides that does not want equality they want superiority. We as responsible adults must hold the line and rebuke the hate, meanwhile respect our differences.

 

Umbra you still have not answered my question. You deny that you bring up race, yet when I made a comment how the majority of white folks dont care about skin color--you and FNewGuy disliked it. My question is, what part of that comment (feel free to go back and read it) did you dislike? I want understanding on this...

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Out of respect for the mods I will take this convo to private if you choose.

 

Cool, you can do that.

 

Because Boyega was cast....people think fans are racist? I'm not following. Casting minorities in your films you love makes you racist?

 

As I said, to me all was pointing to the side of "non force user" for Finn. All logic was there. And if you look at any "buddy movie", you will find the two main heroes are always as different from each other as possible. Why? Because the coctail you get from this is much more explosive than two same guys. The dinamics in the new trilogy was made not only from different personalities, but also one was a master and the other the apprentice. Here we would have two jedi-in-training and again - to me it is highly unlikely. But then again I´ve seen Finn with a lightsaber and he seems to be not using it to cut the nearest tree, so now I think he have to be force-sensitive, while about Rey I don´t know what to think...

 

I'm only responding to this because you called me out for the dislike... despite the fact that this line of discussion in forums is not normally productive.

I've been a fan of all types of action, fantasy/sci-fi my entire life. When I look at the heroes I grew up with over the years the vast, vast, majority of them were white. Most of my friends (of all hues) shared similar interest and followed similar heroes, so I don't find your proclamation for the 'majority of white folks' enlightening. More importantly I never brought it up, I used John's quote 'to get used to it' in the context of the speculation that he will die in episode 7.

So to sum up, I disliked your speaking for most white folks (that's a lot of people) and thinking that being colorblind with respect to your heroes is something unique.

 

This I was saying since the beginning, when I saw Finn with the lightsaber for the first time. And because it is true what you said I now believe he IS force-sensitive.

 

I have a thought, is Boyega signed on for all 3 films? If he is then my next point is irrelevant. And if someone can disprove me that would be awesome!

What if Finn is a clone? That idea has kind of hit me lately. He is a clone with a "defect" or something and he betrays the First Order. He says he was "Raised to do one thing" then he says "But I've got nothing to fight for."

So we could assume based on those lines he was raised to Fight. Fight for the First Order apparently. And what's the best way to get an army for an evil order? Clones. He was raised to fight like the rest of the clones, this explains how he knows how to wield the lightsaber if he was trained with the riot stick like that other trooper he duels with.

And in the end he will lay down his life and sacrifice himself for Rey, she will have given him something to fight for, and he will die at the hands of Kylo and allow Rey a chance to realize her destiny.

COMPLETELY SPECULATION!! But this thought hit me the other day. If he is signed on for all 3 films then we can throw this idea in the trash.

 

Stormtroopers have not been clones since the OT. We know first order stormtroopers aren't clones either.

 

Do we know this for a fact? (Not being sarcastic just want to clarify.)

 

Well, we know there are many different actors playing them, we know there are female stormtroopers as well. They could still be clones yes, but It seems unlikely they would go back to using clones, they were discarded for a reason.