The Issue of Boyega, Red-Herring and Perception

And lastly, I won't quote cause like 5 people have said it: why are Finn and Rey both "equal" protagonists? Again, they could be, but why would they have to be? I think Rey is the protagonist, I want her to be, but if December 17th comes and Finn is obviously the main character, I am not going to be fighting to the death to make Rey appear to be on equal footing in terms of storytelling. This does not have to be "Finn's story" in order for him to be an amazing character with a memorable arch. People do remember Leia and Han from the OT, right?

 

I agree with you. I think the early marketing kinda pegged him to be, if not the lead a dual protag because of the saber. I cant think of any SW movie where the protag didn't have a saber. Thus came the speculation about Rey staff is it really a saber and so on. But if MSW is to be believed which I think they are we know the saber changes hands, which changes a lot of perception on who the main lead is.

 

Great point and thanks. I for one think the "anti-women" stuff would be just as obvious and frequent if Ridley was the one who popped up as a stormtrooper at the beginning of the first trailer. Regardless, here's my rundown: I'm honestly about 50/50 on Finn becoming a jedi or being an "every man" Han type, just like how I'm about 50/50 on Rey being Luke's kid or Leia's and Han's; I was in the camp of, initially, "thinking Finn was the protagonist and hoping Rey would have a role almost as significant," to "thinking they are meant to be dual protagonists," to now "believing that Rey is the protagonist, while Finn is going to be an awesome character who we'll remember just as we do Han or Leia."

 

FINN AND REY ARE BOTH JEDI THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN 2 MAIN FORCE USING HERO'S(Yoda counts as episode five and six)

 

Yep I think you're correct. And again, if the movie comes out and Rey does not end up "saving Finn" and she is not the one who finds Luke on the island, then I have no problem saying she's not the main. Disappointed? You bet. But there's no way I would let it ruin the film or her character. People are also forgetting that Finn's character was, based on everything we know, not intended to be any particular race. So, although it may "look worse," all of their story points and marketing decisions would have likely been exactly the same or at least quite similar if they picked one of the many white actors who tried out for Boyega's role. At this point, I just want to see the showdown in the snow!

 

There will be two jedi heros hence Rey and Finn(Luke will be a back seat MC)

 

Well, Luke too, presumably? So 3. It would have been three in the OT too with Obi Wan...

 

I don´t argue with Rey´s force sensitivity. I didn´t see her with a lightsaber or doing some force stuff. Right now I´m open to whatever comes and I´ll accept the Force sensitiveness of any character.
P.S: I´ve read your post again and perhaps - and forgive me if I´m wrong but english is just a third language to me - I sense something about race or skin color. Are you suggesting that Finn can´t be a Jedi because of color? And asking me that I would "allowed" Rey to be a jedi because she is white???? I´m sorry, I may misunderstand you. But to be clear here - From the first moment I´ve known that Finn is a deserter stormtrooper I was convinced he won´t be force sensitive. And doesn´t matter what color the actor would be. It is totally illogical to me. But some poeple will see racial issues in just everything and with that I can´t help. They have to help themselves alone....

 

well we didn't know about Yoda in episode four so there has always been two...in a certain point of view

 

I don't know how the hell someone can rate the original post "Trolling". What?
While the point could have come across a little clearer it is definitely not trolling, but a legitimate discussion point -
not one I personally need to dive into, as I don't care what kind of actor has a lead role, and in Star Wars there is absolutely no Maclunkey reason to assume that a lead character must be a caucasian male or whatever. John Boyega (and the other new "kids") are sooooo lucky to have landed a role in Star Wars, I would have given pretty much everything for a role (the casting announcement didn't specifically ask for a middle-aged, slightly overweight, pale, physically unfit character unfortunately).

 

aha fair enough. If it for sure established that Ridley and Boyega are jedi, and then Luke shows up for only a scene or otherwise, then it would be three. As i said before, I am 50/50 on Boyega becoming a jedi. I'm cool either way

 

Maybe Luke does not want to be a jedi he has lost one jedi order maybe he doesn't want to fail again with Finn and Rey

 

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They casted an actor in the lead that looks like Boyega and yourself (namely Boyega). I am a white male, part of the biggest demographic SW audience, and they didn't cast an actor in the lead that looks like me. EVERYWHERE I look to SW related things I see black people and women, and u are still complaining. Something that also strikes me is that we only see demographic groups overly represented in SW that complain a lot about their position, as I don't see any Asians or Mexicans or Iraqi's casted or whatever.

Secondly, the reason many people think Finn is not a jedi after all is maybe not because he is black but because there are just a lot of things pointing towards misinformation. Thinking like this isn't gonna get u anywhere in life either.
At this point I want Finn to be a jedi because no non-force sensitive should swing a lightsaber around, that's just ridicilous. But even Boyega himself said we don't have a clue what's gonna happen. And if we look purely to the trailer it would be really obvious he is a jedi, because he is holding a lightsaber. Maybe TOO obvious.

 

This would only be a remote possibility in episode 9. Finn is force sensitive and he's going to be around for quite some time. Like John said, 'Get used to it.'

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You are proving my point. Even with the all powerful MSW spoilers, we don't know. You have to resort to guessing, which people seem to be split 3 ways on.

 

Is trolling in the point of repeating something that was discussed in the Finn thread exhaustively, and somewhat contributed to the thread be locked, with no original idea to it, just the same post the OP have being doing for months, that's fair to tab it as trolling in my opinion, if not trolling spamming then

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The non force sensitive welding a lightsaber is easily explained by the Ralph MacQuarrie concepts of Stormtroopers being trained with lightsabers, and how to fight lightsabers, when you have 150 500 1000 Jedis there's no point in training your infantry to fight them, they will be wiped in the same way, but if you have 1 2 3 Jedis wouldn't make sense to at least get them used to such a weapon and the way of fighting? even more important if there's no Jedi in the galaxy left (from public perception) wouldn't make sense to use the lightsaber since nobody left knows how to use it?

 

I disagree with the premise most people don't think Rey will be a Jedi. They've marketed her in so many parallels to Luke it speaks to anyone watching the trailers that she (not Finn the Stormtrooper) will be 'the next Luke.' Another example is the Duracell commercial (which I think is absolutely magical), is marketed to show a little girl playing Rey using the Force and a lightsaber to fight off the FO. Even Rey's staff is looked upon by casual observers (not spoiler readers) to be significant. Most would not relate it to Plagueis, but they do wonder if it's like Darth Maul's staff, or if it will prepare her for using a lightsaber staff.

We aren't deciphering an ancient language here, it's not that difficult for a casual observer to see the things we talk about when viewing the trailers or other promotional material. If JJ and LK's intent was to throw us off the by using Finn as a focal point, they've failed miserably not only to us the rabid, fans, but also regular people. Rey is definitely a lead, she is shown in clips reminiscent of Luke on Tatooine, she fights, repairs, she's self-reliant, an excellent pilot, and she stay's cool under pressure. That exactly how you spotlight a future Jedi. Giving the guy who wants to run, and seems panicked the lightsaber so that we think he's the Jedi is the worse use of misdirection I can think of. What possible surprise will it be to anyone that this runner turned fighter would lose in a fight to Kylo Ren and Rey the athletic, cool under pressure fighter will step up to the challenge? That's the kind of story I'd tell my 5 y/o at bedtime.

 

I think the moral compass character could be cast in much less time than what they cast Boyega... especially if his purpose is to show Rey (through his sacrifice/dismemberment) that she can be a great warrior taking a path that he may want, but can't follow.

 

Great post man, i agree 100%