The Issue of Boyega, Red-Herring and Perception

Means anyone in the Star Wars universe when no jedi then less important? Like....Han Solo?

 

seriousely, who gave me a trolling rating for this message ? whats the problem?

 

One more thing: I would argue that the fact that Finn is not white actually brings in more fans. I happen to like the character, and I am satisfied with him being a humble, reluctant warrior or a noble Jedi. I am not the one burdened with writing this story--like everyone else I am just a fan blessed with the opportunity to see it.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 29, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 29, 2015 ---

I get what you are saying but I get concerned about the plot being crowded at the top when there is more than one main protagonist. I agree that this character is much more interesting as a black guy. But I do not like the idea of placing anyone in a role for the sake of political correctness or affirmative action. That has nothing to do with prejudices, that is my conservative opinion. You will not change me on that, you can only love me...

 

Something weird going on. I got a bunch of dislikes when I guessed that Finn and Rey would have a romantic relationship in Episode 8....

 

Context does matter. I bet you none of these people who said, "TFA is a bust if Finn isn't ______." would have said that if it wasn't so heavily marketed in that direction. Given the context of black heroes in entertainment they dangle a delicious morsel of opportunity and yank it away for the sake of what misdirection...the mystery box. Its not the thought that the black dude isn't a Jedi or force sensitive that disgust these people its the implied promise that he is and a "SIKE this isn't for you" that leads towards the aggression.

 

I fully think Finn will be a Jedi. I definitely think that both he and Rey have that as part of their future arc.

I also think that Boyega has gotten some nasty social media comments and the whole "boycott StarWars" nonsense. But I think this is an extremely small group of people they are loud because media focuses on the outrageous. That said I don't think that everyone who thinks that Finn will be something other than a Jedi is guilty of the jealousy and racism you are suggesting. For one. Early pictures of both Finn and Rey focused heavy on Finn with a blaster and Rey with a staff. Early marketing was very very Rey heavy. The interviews in Japan, the fact that Rey shows up on a brown speeder racing about the desert in off white loose fit gear. Further the old EU gave us Jacen and Jaina kids of Han and Leia who were on opposite sides this spectre of the old EU still has a shadow over speculation. There are reasons beyond people being bias.

 

I have to be brutally honest. I do not watch Star Wars to see how many white people are in the movie...or how many white people are Jedi. I don't watch NBA games and count white dudes...or count white dudes on the college football field when I watch my Florida State Seminoles. Sorry I just don't see things that way.

Boom. You nailed it. Finally. His story may well be tragic, yet honorable and heroic possibly saving Rey or even Han.

 

As I tried to bring up several times in the Finn thread, I just don't know what his role would be in the remainder of the Trilogy without him learning the ways of the force. Poe is the fighter pilot, and Rey is also a pilot. For him to become another pilot would be odd and a little redundant. And, though we've rarely seen the infantry side of Star Wars, it seems odd too that a guy with a Blaster could do much on the fields of battle. It's either the Force or him becoming like the Resistance's best agent and then General (Think.......James Bond. Or something like that). Because I'm fairly certain he's not playing the Leia role of this trilogy. Thoughts?

 

I've always had the assumption they're the two leads, along with Kylo Ren, and these are the 3 stories we'll see unfold throughout the trilogy.

The earliest rumors, from almost every source that people still point to today, have said from the very beginning that Finn and Rey were BOTH force sensitive characters, but Finn seems to embrace it while Rey is reluctant to accept her destiny. I've seen nothing yet that makes me feel otherwise. Finn not being a Jedi isn't a surprise to this point, if they think it's an effective red herring. Everyone assumed Daisy Ridley was a Skywalker and Jedi from the moment we saw her. JJ and Disney know this.

I point this out over and over again but I'll do so once more. Check out John Boyega's reaction to the TFA trailer.

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The shot were Han says "The Jedi" and the camera turns to Finn, Boyega firmly says "Damn right" with a serious look on his face while his friend says "That's what I'm talking about"
I took it as a "Take that!" reaction to people who have doubted this or gave him abunch of a crap. I took it as confirmation that hes force sensitive

 

Well that argument is a little bigger than Star Wars. I just think representation matters and where theres limited representation positive representations matters. It makes more people apart of the community because they feel a positive place in it.

 

Personally the more the jedi the merrier, I'm already disapointed there won't be a New Jedi Order and Luke either failed or is very lazy.

 

HOW is this still so hard for people to get

Finn being a red herring has nothing to do with his force or jedi potential. From the moment finn defects to the moment kylo beats him, he has gone from "I've got nothing to fight for" to taking on one of the most powerful dark side force users in the galaxy. His story is being used to distract us from rey's true story.

The reason he is a red-herring is because his willingness to take up the sabre, to fight, is to distract us from what rey is, what she has the potential to do. Until the very last fight of TFA, SHE THINKS SHE IS NO ONE.

We on this forum know how important rey is because WE HAVE BEEN READING ALL THE SPOILERS!!!!!!

Go watch normal people in the general public talking about the trailers, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, when finn turned on the sabre PEOPLE CALLED HIM THE NEW JEDI!!! From that moment it planted a distraction from what rey is!!

Please stop trying to merge the "red-herring" with his force or jedi potential, they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

 

This. Luke was supposed to pass on what he knew. I think part of the story will be that he tried and failed, and went into exile so it was the end of the Jedi. I believe his story will be finally passing down his knowledge and I'd like to think that by Episode 9's ending , they are forming a new Jedi Order, and that Rey and Finn are instrumental to this happening.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 30, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 30, 2015 ---

You're right, but mostly the discussions about Finn being a red herring usually starts with "Is Finn being a Jedi a red herring?" thats usually whats in question.

 

Well if there is a raid on his former group of students he did try to pass on what he learned. I think the idea of a "Jedi Academy" is a little silly its not a great name no offense to the old EU. It sounds too much like the School for Gifted Youngsters or Hogwarts. I much prefer the idea that there is a temple/monastery and there are a few people learning the ways of the master.

 

I'm not sure I understand, how is any of this supposed to distract the audience from what Rey is? They have been hinting there is a new Skywalker for a long time and Rey will be the most obvious candidate for most people.

 

We don't know definitely, but I'm sure most can agree it's either Luke or the Solos. I'm leaning towards Luke as it would make more sense

Yes

 

I can't follow you logic. You want Finn to be a bad guy turned good.

and no one believes someone "who looks like boyega" can be the hero (which I don't buy. We have windu and Lando, in addition to attack the block, with a guy who is boyega being the hero...)

Which is it? No dark past, straight up good guy or "bad guy turned good"?

Too many times? or never seen and you need examples?

Liam or andrew, yes. I wouldn't be saying the same for Jesse, but only because of his red hair. EU fanboyism holds out hope for ben skywalker.

 

Will you apply the same Logic to Rey if she isn't Force Sensitive? I mean we can do the same here, with Force Sensitivity skipping over her in the Skywalker/Solo line. Doesn't matter right?

 

Let me be transparent as possible here, so unless you have some learning disabilities, spare the "clouded" reviews. Regardless of the race-baiting reporting by the left wing liberal media--most white people, and I say again, most--do not care about the color of someone's skin. That, and we do not start counting white guys on our favorite sports teams, or white guys in our favorite movies. We, for the most part, don't think like that. One of my favorite actors, and I mean favorite has always been Denzel Washington. Did I think about his skin color when I watched his movies? Did I question why he died or why he was the bad guy? No. Some people need to get past their own insecurities, lighten up and enjoy life. Rant over.