OFFICIAL NEWS The Last Jedi Trailer

About Rian's contribution to the Bloodline novel--are we certain the napkin incident is the part he contributed? I remember that Claudia Grey said he had asked her to describe something in detail, but I hadn't heard that anyone had specified what that was.

 

A lot of the assumption following the teaser is that Luke is "right" for thinking the Jedi need to end and therefore he will train Rey to be something new. However, he may be in such a state that at the beginning of the film, he has lost his way and isn't necessarily reliable or correct, hence why Daisy Ridley stated that things aren't always as expected when you meet your heroes. It may be that he is convinced because of what he experienced with Vader that Kylo Ren can be redeemed. He may be so caught up in that, trying to save everyone who has slipped into darkness, that this blinds him, and it is in fact Rey - who has glimpsed inside Ren's mind and seen him kill Han - who has to convince him that he is lost and must be killed. It may be a case of Rey first needing to get Luke back on to a different path, as it may be that she is the only one who can see Kylo deeply and objectively enough to know that he is lost and before Luke agrees to train her, she has to convince him of this. In TFA, Rey is clearly fascinated with the legend of the Jedi, and I'm not sure she will just accept one guy's theory that this needs to end. Just a thought, a different way of interpreting the teaser - especially if the final line actually comes at the beginning of the film.

 

I agree with you that Luke could have said the Jedi must end prior to training her. But I think most of the meta data points to both an end of the Jedi and Sith and binary concepts of the Force. It's not just this movie or TFA, the idea that the Jedi were dogmatic was addressed in the PT, and the idea of balance also alluded to Star Wars Rebels. I don't think this is one big misdirection, I think the traditional Jedi with which we've been acquainted are going to become a thing of the past just like the Sith.

The new Jedi are going to be something utterly different... I suspect to the point where we (the fans) might not even refer to them as Jedi anymore.

 

well sure but how much does the distinction really matter.

Does anyone really think we are not going to have Force using Heroes vs Force using Villains.
Does it really matter if they are called Jedi or Sith?

Makes you wonder though what Luke changed in his failed NJO.
And how that differs from whatever new order we get.

 

Right? I mean, the way I personally see it, the Cosmic Force is described as being dormant from the end of ROTJ up until about midway through TFA, so Luke's attempt to start a NJO in this time might have always been doomed (I kind of see it as trying to start a fire without having anything to burn).

The difference, arguably, we already know: Rey. So long as she doesn't go Dark, as I know many would like her to, she seems to be the key difference in attempting to rebuild the Jedi Order or, adversely, building a completely new Order of Force users. Whilst it may be argued that Anakin brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith, which very likely had something to do with the Cosmic Force becoming dormant, I think that the Prophecy of the Chosen One might not have been completed, and so a new vergence in the Force - Rey - was brought into being (whether it be as Luke's daughter or a being born of midi-chlorians) to complete the Prophecy and bring balance to the Force (with Anakin having been able to complete half of the Prophecy by destroying the Sith).

The Prophecy of the Chosen One is an ancient prophecy: if misread, perhaps the Chosen One refers to a lineage - the Skywalkers - or to a certain era, as opposed to a single person.

 

I think for the casual viewer, they won't stray too far from the concept of "good" users versus "bad" users, with a generally clear distinction. Jedi is what most people relate to (those who aren't super fans) whereas I suspect the teaser is here to provoke discussion and spread misdirection and rumour among the dedicated fans based on a single line of dialogue that could just suggest Luke's initial frame of mind.

Luke himself was already a "new" kind of Jedi by the end of the OT, yet he described himself as a Jedi - same name, but he certainly had different ideas about what was right and where the boundary was. His New Order pre Force Awakens surely would have followed this image, rather than him trying to train PT style Jedi? While there is a lot in the non-film universe about non-binary Force users, these are far less mainstream and generally flesh out the universe for the devoted fans rather than the more mainstream film viewer. I doubt the nightsisters will ever make it into the films, for example. I don't think they will do something that makes the millions of people who watch only the films get confused about who are the good guys, and why they're not Jedi anymore.

Currently we know very little, and nothing can be ruled out, and nothing really can be ascertained for sure from the info they've released as we know they like to misdirect. There are many other possibilities for how things could go based on the very small amount of info we have. Luke could decide that instead of trying to teach all Force users to be Jedi, and guide them down a path to the Light, it is "safer" to follow a model similar to the Sith's rule of two, and only have a couple of very trusted people ever have the title of "Jedi".

 

thats why i think its him flying the fighter. poe wouldn't struggle to fly , nor would rey and we have no reason to have rose flying yet. that leaves finn.

 

Wise and great post should also give points.

 

It depends on what part of the story you think really matters - the subtext of the first two trilogies has dealt with straight forward concepts of good and evil. If they decided to explore more complex, nuanced ideas (which they likely will, since it would be hard to add anything new to that conversation) it changes the themes and tone quite a bit. But you're right that whatever concepts they decide to explore, it will done in such a way that it allows heroes and villains to fight each other with lightsabers.

 

I completely agree.

I don't know who did the music, but I'm certain it wasn't Williams. It has that "modern epic trailer sound," which is far, far removed from how he writes. It does use the Rey and Kylo Ren themes, though, and the Force theme, of course.

 

I guess I personally am still trying to figure out what will the dynamic that will cause friction between what we once regarded as light side and dark side users. It seems that going forward what we'll most likely have is artifacts to the old ways (blue light sabers vs red) but presumably both sides would be utilizing the Balanced Force approach. So maybe we do have the "good guys" throwing around what was once called "Sith Lightning" and the "bad guys" using what was once known as "Jedi Mind Tricks". So if it isn't a difference in Force Philosophy that drives conflict, I have to assume it will political friction (i.e. how should the galaxy be ruled by Empire or by Republic, and Balanced Force Users will divide and oppose one another based on which one they believe I guess?)

 

Has it been confirmed anywhere that it is actually Luke at the end of the trailer saying that it's time for the Jedi to end? If not it would seem more diversionary to mix up the audio just to keep people guessing and thinking that's what they heard when in fact they didn't.

 

Thank you. Claudia Gray said she had input from RJ, but there was a place/thing that he gave her a detailed description of...I guess it could be the room where the napkin bombing happened, but why bother if you're just going to blow it up?

 

Mark Hamill confirmed it was his voice

 

Yes, I'm sure we'll get a similar picture of the political state of the NR in TLJ (especially if rumors about Laura Dern's character are true).

 

Wouldn't he just say:
"No, I will not train you. I came here to forget everything and to cease being a Jedi. I will never do anything Jedi-like again. Sorry Rey, go back home."
Talking in third-person about how it's time for the Jedi to end, seems delusional.

I guess he is isolated. Does he even have food there? I'm curious about how he survives there.

 

he fishes in the shoals for pillops.

[with shame-faced apologies to @RockyRoadHux]

 

But I remember John not doing the music for the 2nd teaser for TFA or the the full trailer. From what I remember he only did the initial Thanksgiving teaser. Maybe I'm wrong?