OFFICIAL NEWS The Last Jedi Trailer

No way Luke says that whole dialogue in one sentence. Two spliced together, or maybe three. Over one part he says. "I only know one truth." The black screen he says, "It's time for the Jedi..." Then we actually see him saying"To end."

So, my point is that he's not saying,"I only know one truth. It's time for the Jedi to end." He's not going to end the Jedi and that doesn't even make sense.

In a way it's kind of a parallel to Han. Han says" It's true. All of it. The Jedi, etc...

Luke knows one truth. What is it?

I think he really says."It's time for the Jedi to rise."

But something else must end.

 

@Rayjefury i think you might be on to something. If I remember correctly I believe MSW discussed on one of their podcasts a while back that

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Finn was being treated in some kind of medical device and when he finally comes to he is stronger then ever before. They did not go into what that meant

John did end up getting more ripped for this movie and hinted at Finn having a more physical role.

 

So Finn

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is becoming more machine than man? Just not evil.

 

No, you're right. The TLJ trailer music is confirmed to be Frederick Lloyd.

 

I didn't get that impression. It seems like to me that

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whatever that biomedical device he is in heals him to an extent that he is physically stronger. Not sure if there is any mechanical parts to him. I don't get that impression

 

So basically he is the Resistance's Captain America?

 

That's gonna make Captain Phasma very angry.

 

They didn't really elaborate to what extent there is a change

 

I have misgivings about this if I'm right and this is true. For one I have a fear that they will do it in an unoriginal and lazy fashion. Gaps and flaws in a Prodigy Soldier we can't explain away but that we're forced to deal with because they were made canon by Episode 7? No problem, Bio-Hexacrypt to the "Deus Ex Machina" rescue.

I really can't stress this enough, I'm not interested in an artificially special Finn. That will be just going from bad to worse. It's not beyond reason that a bio type pad heals him. But one that makes him physically strong? *Eye rolls* God I hope they don't do this.

 

Some times, trailers take just a bit of an act, or even a scene and put the images together - like Poe and BB-8 running down the hall, and then the hangar explosion. I personally think most of this trailer is from the 1st act - the attack on the salt planet, and training on Ach-to.

Act 1 on Ach-to ends when Kylo shows up and burns the Force tree:





Pissing Rey off royally (pun intended) and drawing her out to fight.

Per the initial MSW report that they have since tried to retract...this could be Rey vs Kylo and the KOTR vs Luke who reluctantly comes out to fight after she gets whipped by Kylo.

 

Whoa 46 pages!

Took me a while to give my comments about the trailer since it's been hectic with Star Wars Celebration.

I think it is awesome. All the parallels - like the father/daughter connection with the shot of Leia similar to the one of Vader in the trailer of Rogue One - as well as the voices - it is quite faint and not every ear will be able to get it, but it is there.

I can understand all those who are already alleging this is a rehash of The Empire Strikes Back, same as TFA was a rehash of ANH. But even if it was, as some screenwriters friends of mine say, even to do that you've got to do it gracefully, and of course it will seem for some like it, since we might see the full-fledged attack of the First Order and what's left of the New Republic.

I cannot stress enough that the Aftermath trilogy and Bloodline are strongly recommended reading for this. We can read all the signs, and try to understand that there might be a bigger picture rather than just light and darkness regarding the Force. This has been set up nicely by previous works - even the funky stuff, like the Nightsisters and the Mortis arc in The Clone Wars, the Bendu in Rebels - can give up some better understanding for what I think it's coming.

 

i don't know if the EU reading is "mandatory" but it sure does add depth to the experience.
i think the way they have layered the storytelling is quite amazing: you can enjoy it on the films alone, but there's all this subtext writhing under the surface.
thoroughly enjoying every bit of it.
man it's a great time to love Star Wars! : D

for those who are following the EU, it'll be very interesting to see what parts of it may be brought into the ST.
i'm hoping the small hints about the "bigness" of the Force and Luke's struggle with the Jedi concept are pointing in that direction.

 

Yeah maybe mandatory is such a strong word. Perhaps "strongly recommended" might sound better

I am definitely forward to read about Luke adventures during that period of time.

But indeed, it is a great time to love Star Wars!!

 

I see (and understand) some hesitance by long time Star Wars fans to relinquish the Jedi concept but I think it's almost as good as done, and as has been pointed out previously, there have been many works pointing in that direction. From the PT illustrating the problematic nature of Jedi dogma (that can be argued also led to their demise), to Rebels, and TFA. Far too many Force Users now outside of the Jedi-Sith continuum to continue on in that vein. I still think there will be Balance Force Users who we can ultimately identify as good or evil, but I think their usage of the Force will be agnostic (for lack of a better term).

It would be funny though if the Jedi-Sith conflict morphed into a Knights of Ren vs. Order of Bendu (just made that up) paradigm. Speaking of which, I wonder will we get a back story on the Ren and find that it also emphasized balanced force. I guess we'll see.

 

i agree. i mean clearly there is a plan here, even if we don't know all the pieces at the moment. i trust the plan given what we've gotten so far. and i was never that much of a fan of the black/white paradigm to begin with (if, frankly, it ever existed, given Anakin's return to the Light).

even the relatively new concept of "Light" seems to suggest that there's more to the galaxy than defining Good and Evil purely by Light and Dark.

 

A lot of the analysis on this site in particular has been superb in terms of reimagining what the Force is and how it users relate to it. I wish I could remember the people's handles so that I could give them credit here but one person said the Force is less like a straight line (with good on one side and evil on the other) and more like a sphere with the user inside. Another person said instead of light and dark (which have positive and negative connotations) we might view the Jedi and Sith as Reasoning and Passion. Neither one of them inherently good or bad, just different components of what makes sentient beings. Then it seems much more easy to see how a Force User should be balanced in their utilization of both.

 

absolutely! this is why i'm so excited to hear Luke say it's "bigger" than Light and Dark, which becomes a reduction.
very excited too what this will mean for Rey and Ren with their yin yan temperaments.
@master_shaitan even pointed out earlier how the scene in which Luke's line resonates in the trailer showing Rey training is a balanced frame of the light of the ocean in contrast to the shadow/dark of the cliff face (on the diagonal).

 

Regarding Finn- I think it would fit well with the lovable goofiness of his character for one of the 1s or 0s in the med pad to get crossed and he accidentally gets injected with a few too many adrenal stims. The ship he's on gets boarded by the First Order (maybe even the KOR) and Fin hulks out on them for a bit, awkward with his new temporary power, before the stims wear off.

 

The Hulk out wouldn't bother me at all (especially if it made sense for the story and there was some plot point to the use of the Bio-Hexacrypt). Finn continuing on in lovable goofiness - not so much. I think I've had my fill of that. I mean there can still be moments of levity through out the movie, but I think all the actors are capable of bringing that out so that no one character becomes the comic relief. Still it will be interesting to see why there is a new healing module being introduced to the Star Wars galaxy as opposed to just using the Bacta Tank. I'm guessing it's not just an upgrade of technology.

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I saw that imagery once @master_shaitan pointed it out. I missed it before. Very subtle but very well done.

 

I think you've arrived at this message board by accident; the Berkeley protest sign-ups are on another board. Seriously, take your silly race baiting elsewhere, this is not the place for it. If you're so offended by the "white washing" in SW, don't watch it. The end.