The let's debunk false leakers thread.

I believe that was SpoilerMan. The original not the one that showed up here the other day sharing different rumors.

Honestly given that in the first few furious days of the SpoilerMan phenomena there was someone supposedly impersonating him . . . so there is an "oh that was someone else defense.

 

To be honest with you every rumor so far hasn't been "proven" yet. The only ones that were right were a few of the casting rumors but NOT all. (Nobody had serkis)

Also the leaked concept art photos were proven true by the trailer but those were leaked physical photos not rumors per say. Other then that nothing is official or credible since none of it's been proven.

While I can appreciate why people call certain sources more credible then others(eg.spolierman junk), truth be told none of its credible. I have heard so many different rumors on Lukes hand, then his lightsaber, he's crazy, hes a cyborg, wait no he's not, he's missing, no wait He's captured, no wait he's in seclusion by his own will, no wait hes both.

I could do this with every almost every rumor ...its tatooine, it's not tatooine.

My theory on this is because of 2 reasons. I feel like Arndts script and JJs are so different. In turn, the concept art and story leaks are getting are so jumbled together it's hard for these sources to make sense of it. Also the mystery box and misdirection rumors by the studio also play a major part.

This isn't to say that I don't appreciate these sources trying but come one nobody could even tell us serkis was a bad guy, we learned it from the teaser.(eg Underworld rumor came after the trailer)

 

This is a great idea for a thread, but let's not be hasty. For example, Serkis said "I can say I only play one character”, but in a universe where some characters shape-shift or have their bodies aged prematurely by force lightening it isn't beyond the bounds of credibility that his 'one character' has more than one guise in the film....

 

Fully agree.

There should be a thread of just confirmed rumours linked to the source - Easier to manage. Everything else is digital noise.

 

This early on, if you aren't treating everything like it was made up by a random dude in his mom's basement you are absolutely doing it wrong. As someone above pointed out, everything we have read thus far is unconfirmed. I am very confused as to the amount of passionate anger directed at SpoilerMan and Bro and the rest of our so-called "insiders." Anyone calling themselves "Spoiler" anything is the furthest thing from trustworthy, whether they do in fact have inside information or not. A lot of you are taking this far too seriously and are missing the super entertaining aspects of it all.

How are Spoilerman and SpoilerBro any more obnoxious than the few users we have here with supposed "inside" information, but no proof of it? Is saying "my friend works at such and such a place" all that much better than saying "I work for Lucasfilm, I know the entire movie, I have details you want?" It's confusing that these fellows have their threads closed, have people seemingly very angry at them all because they garnered more attention than others. There are plenty of people posting things as absolute fact on this board, and not a lot of people calling them out. At the end of the day we are all posting on a forum on the internet and therefore must look at everything with a large amount of skepticism.

I'm just here to read people's theories and potential rumors about this movie, to gain knowledge and mostly to be entertained. I don't find it any less entertaining to read a rumor by someone insisting they are "in the know." As long as you consider the source - a random individual online - it is quite easy to keep the whole thing in perspective and not get too attached to any one idea or rumor.

 

Well, my friend's wife's sister best friend married to a photographer who is the brother of the woman married to a artist in Pixar, who has his former college best friend designing logos at Disney, and is the cousin of someone who recently worked on the set of Force Awakens, feared such a thread like this one would appear in a attempt to discredit all revealed rumours.

 

SpoilerMan created a bit of phenomena. His leaks did not just circulate fan sites. The UK Guardian and the Mirror picked up his rumors. No matter what you feel about his leaks and how well they are holding up. Many of them are still going even though more stuff seems to be coming out that does not back up his claims. That is a pretty big coup for a guy in his moms basement. Troll of the century award. I think that he is more likely part of the marketing of the trailer and his purpose was disinformation but that in and of itself is speculation so let me provide you with salt take as many grains as you need.

 

You said it better then I did @MEAN PANDA but that was exactly what I was trying to get at

 

If you suss out the fakes, all you'll get is the truth. I don't want the truth. I can't handle the truth.

 

Fine you win - major spoiler ahead! The truth is Darth Vader returns in TFA in a all new white suit with a angelic wings to redeem himself as the force awakens in him... again...

 

An all white vader suit..... now THAT'S some insider info I could get into.

 

Decades ago there was rumor of a white vader armor that Anakin was going to sport in the Force Ghost group shot but they went with the old guy instead.

 

I love the idea of this thread. Unfortunately, I do not think it is currently possible to take a scientific approach to ST rumors, because the methods of reporting are themselves very unscientific.


The initial problem is that many rumors come from people who cannot reveal their sources. These sources themselves may have limited information, so they may come to false conclusions even if they are legitimate.

For example, the multiple roles for Serkis and acrobat troupe rumors originally came from Jedi News (as far as I know), who heard this from "multiple sources" (unfortunately, they do not specify how many independent sources verified which parts of their claims).

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=19563

Now that the rumor was debunked, Jedi News recognized this:

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=19859

Does this mean we should discredit everything we hear from Jedi News? I don't think it is that simple. JN is not a source itself. If it does have multiple sources as it claims, some may be legitimate and others not, and some may know more than others.

This is unfortunately the case for almost all rumors which seem potentially credible - they come to us indirectly.


I sincerely wish that these intermediaries with direct contact to sources would be much more informative and clear about what exact information they received (preferably with exact quotes) from how many different independent sources. Without giving away the identities of their sources, I wish that they would label them (e.g. source A, source B) so that in multiple posts we could see exactly which rumors came from which sources. If one rumor from, say, "source B" were confirmed, we could go through older posts and see what other rumors came from the same source - and the same for rumors which are debunked.

If I were an intermediary with direct access to sources (alas, I am not), I would keep a public database of any claims which my sources would allowed me to make public, along with the dates that the claims were made. I would follow up and flag them as confirmed/debunked as appropriate.

Until the intermediaries we have begin to do some of these things and take on a more scientific approach to the information they are sharing, we simply do not have means of differentiating between sources or connecting rumors. The information we usually see, while greatly appreciated, is usually far from scientific in its presentation. We usually see vague reports from "sources" interspersed with speculation.

For the scientifically minded like myself, this is a frustrating situation. But perhaps if I am able to let go of these cravings of real investigation and treat everything as the pure entertainment that it is, I will be able to sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

So far everything we've read has been fake. Only the early concept art was real and people got fired. How much made it into the film is still unknown as is it's application to the finished product. ILM is on lockdown. Disney's purchase of them made it clear - we're keeping tabs on all of your shots so don't even try it. The days of Ewok Pudu and Ali are long gone. The pipeline is streamlined as it always should have been. Only 3rd parties would leak and they're not as disgruntled as an ILM staffer who works 18 hours a day and sleeps on a cot next to their chair for a pizza a day and minimum wage.

 

why would any J-brone risk A dream job

 

Ah, good question. Back when the Prequels were made, ILM was a farm of talent. Young, inexperienced artists were in a relatively new field under the banner of the greatest effects company ever created - ILM. To have that name on your resume meant you were (assumed) golden. That came at a cost. They paid their contractors (who worked 6 month contracts) intern/minimum wages. They worked 18 hour days and had cots in their dark, shtty cubes. They ate fast food and didn't see their familes much. If they had any. Corporate preferred single nerds. Management was retarded in the extreme. Imagine Harry Knowles as your boss but less fat. You've seen who I'm talking about in the making of the prequels. That lead to resentment because SOME of the staff weren't inexperienced wankers and were finishing their assignments. They found a way to get their own back. Or so they thought. Turned out Uncle George didn't care if sht leaked because as long as it didn't impact the subscription-based Hyperspace programme, he didn't care. And the leaks didn't. Only a small portion saw the MF, T-Bone etc leaks. The rest paid. The rest didn't care. This time it's different. Everyone, including mainstream press (including the Daily Mail, the biggest tabloid online) wants a piece as it really generates hits and converts to advertising money. That pisses Disney off. Someone making money where, really they shouldn't. And it funks JJ up. He's got enough poodu on his plate as it is. That's why eyes are everywhere. Much of the prequel leaks came from 3rd party book publishers etc. Hasbro are locked down tight. Super tight. Lego are locked. These are partners who could lose all future merchandise opportunities so they're careful. Far more than they were because George didn't really care. JJ does and he's the captain of this ship.

 

I still can't fathom why Gabriel gray gets any interest. He has told us nothing, except alluding to information already revealed on other sites.

 

In general, I think if we can keep track of who said what, and when... and if anything verifiable comes out that can prove any part of it either way (which would lend or detract weight to the other items) then this is a good thing...

The only thing I will caution is this: You can be brutal in attacking ITEMS, but stop very very short on being critical of the person posting. This isn't personal, this is analytical. As long as we keep it analytical, I think everything will work just fine...

Acceptable:
I don't find TIDMADT to be credible

Unacceptable:
TIDMADT is an idiot