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SPOILER The Mandalorian S3E6 Chapter 22- Guns for Hire

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    Bryce Dallas Howard Strikes Again...
     
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    BDH is the most “Star Warsy” of The Mandalorian’s many talented directors. I attribute it to her attention to detail. With a good script, she would direct a kick-butt Star Wars movie. I have spoken! :)
     
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    Awesome episode!
     
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    I was about to create the thread but while typing my comment I saw you did ;) You're fast my friend @MBWilson


    Am quite confused lol, still don't know what to think.

    Again, didn't expect what I saw, although I must say this time is not the best chapter for me. The middle 20 minutes are quite distracting from the epic main plot.

    Also, not the best Bryce episode but still quite enjoyable work for what she had to do.

    Not the best Christopher Lloyd appearance either.

    Loved the beginning, the first shots of that ship, the vibes and possibilities.
    Is when they meet the people from the planet that the chapter becomes confusing. It's original and hilarious and is cool to see references here and there with robots ans species, but is confusing.
    As much as I love Jack Black (Jesus!! Jack Black in SW lol! Love how they keep secret cameos) his conversations with his wife took me out of the episode. Jack is not that bad in here, he tries to be natural. But the character and acting of his wife was quite poor. Both are distracting yeah, a personal opinion that I hope will change with other viewings. I guess i have to get used to it to enjoy their part.

    A couple of good aspects (droids everywhere, ughnaught conversations) but am still thinking if this is the weakest chapter of the whole show.

    2 chapters left and no Gideon... That's something to think about.
     
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    So, The Mandalorian Chapter 22… what the actual blast was that!? :eek:

    I have often lamented that there isn’t enough weirdness in Star Wars anymore, but boy did I get my weird in this one! :rolleyes:

    I have to watch it again to absorb all of this, but holy thermal detonator! :confused:



    So, the point of the episode was to give some fun dressing to the scene where the Darksaber conundrum gets resolved, and we got 30-some minutes of silly context for that one story beat! Very odd writing choices, but I ain’t complaining.

    As for the writing itself, the Darksaber solution thing was actually quite well done. Instead of a dull and predictable single combat, Din Djarin solved the problem through character; thank you, Favreau. The entire setup, escalation, and conclusion of the Darksaber story thread has been very elegant and feels fresh. Kudos. :D



    As for single combats, the fight between Bo-katan and Axe Woves was actually pretty cool, with great use of Mando gear stuff; good writing, this. :cool:

    When it comes to the entire droid mystery thing, the writing there was very derivative and linear – with no room to go outside of the fixed narrative that has to lead to the simple and predictable conclusion, and in a way the writing here was quite poor, but I think that was also the point. This is exactly the kind of episode that George Lucas would have watched, bright-eyed and giddy, as a TV show matinée in his childhood, and I think it was a love letter to that kind of “bad” genre TV. ;) I doubt that any of this Plazir-15 stuff is going anywhere, but I could be wrong.


    It feels like Favreau got carried away while writing this one, laughing the whole time and just having a great, campy time with it. :p


    In all honesty, and IMHO, this episode was not very good, but by the Whills was it a GREAT one! :oops:
     
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    It's Christopher Lloyd, Jack Back and Lizzo in one episode. The Mandalorian goes all out, lol.

    Yeah, they weren't joking when they said this was a middle chapter. We will not see fight for Mandalore until the next season. The season just might end on another Gideon cliffhanger like first season did.

    While I enjoyed the episode for what it was, in my opinion, this should not be fifth episode in eight episode season. Solving local mystery is for the beginning of the season.

    What we (re)learned from this episode: droids in GFFA are quite forgiving (and not rightful overlords of everything), Din hates them, humans are dumb, Ugnaughts have spoken (thank you, Kuiil) and Bo should have taken the saber last season, lol. At least Grogu was knighted. :p
     
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    I don't know how people can do confidently claim that what they are seeing is irrelevant to the plot.
     
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    It was fun actually and only thing that took me out of it was really bad performance of Lizzo.
    Jack Black and Lizzo as a pair didn't work for me, as I can imagine Jack Black basically being the type of character like Jeff Goldblum in Thor Ragnarok,
    which makes him stand out, but maybe too much, with not so good actress next to him and the overall craziness of the setting.
    I don't know if she has any previous acting accolades, as I sure know her exclusively as singer/rapper, which is not bad at all and quite popular these days, so I was surprised to see her in this episode and credits confirmed it for me.

    Say what you like about the importance or uselessness of Canto Bight in The Last Jedi, but at least visually and design-wise, it was that type of cantina, out of the imperial brutalist standard look, that worked great and with Plazir (not so creative pun on Plaisir), there was something off at times with the living elements...
    But the visuals overall and exteriors were superb! I was happy to see some original planet with bigger cities, as that is somewhat rare in the past Disney years.
    I must say that Mandalorian as a series has more interesting locales than the entirety of Sequel Trilogy.

    All and all, great episode!

    What makes me nervous tho, is that we are two episodes from finale of Season 3 and I still feel that we are at the beginning storywise and the plot is not really moving much forward...
    If we end up on some cliffhanger or rushed finale, I will be super angry and I feel that lot of people will end up being dissapointed after waiting two years for Season 3 and end up with tossing around plot points and watching people with costumes like from 501st parade on the screen.
    Feels like too much is spent on the filler stuff, as with the armorer sending Bo Katan on her mission didn't had any gravitas and this week, handing off the dark saber was like, here you go, take it again - thanks, bzzzzt - credits roll...
     
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    Also, although I would love to see Din the Mandalore, clearly he doesn't want it, so maybe I should just leave him to be a dad. :)
     
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    A strange combination of cool and campy. The droid mystery side plot kinda droned on for me. Could've use a lot less of that. Jack Black didn't faze me as much as Lizzo (sorry, not a great actor) ... but as much as I thought their quirkiness was a breathe of fresh air, I found myself glad once our heroes moved on. Nice resolution to the Darksaber issue -- DIn and Bo are becoming quite the team. As always, the cinematography was outstanding and the world building was welcome. My eight-year-old daughter is loving the Grogu flip trick he's becoming so good at -- she had her Grogu doll doing flips in her bedroom before school this morning!
     
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    This is without a doubt, the worst Star Wars I have ever seen... What has happened to this show??
     
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    I'm not sure what that fight looks like? The planet can be taken by anyone. Who is going to fight them over a bombed out planet. I believe this episode sealed the fate of Bo-Katan. She's probably not going to be around much longer. This is ultimately a story about Din Djarin and Grogu and I've appreciated how this season has expanded the overall story, but they're still at the center of it. This season feels very much like a big setup for a big cliffhanger. What happens to the Mandalorians if Bo dies? The question of who leads them after she dies is going to be a big thing. Anyway, that's where I think this is going.
     
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    I think "the fight for Mandalore" is really "the fight to lead (united?) Mandalorians"...because Mandalorians will fight over anything, and gladly fight each other if no other enemies present themselves.

    I feel too that as soon as Din handed over the darksaber to her, that was Bo's death sentence.
     
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    That is exactly what Jon Favreau said about this season, unfortunately, season 3 is a set-up for season 4, so S3 will end in a major cliffhanger... we must be patient... and dismally, the audience is leaving in droves already, according to the ratings.

    A coworker last week said, the Mandalorian show has gotten boring for her, she isn't interested in it anymore which is sad. Shocking to say the least but true...

    I don't know who Lizzo is, I have never seen her perform, I've never heard any of her songs, yet I instantly knew that this Flash Gordonesque / prequel inspired episode, would not appeal to Star Wars fans... not surprised at all... hopefully, the final 2 episodes will give fans what they desire.

    Jack Black is a homage to Brian Blessed's Prince Vultan in 1980s Flash Gordon film, Blessed also played Boss Nass in TPM, Jar Jar Binks' Boss.




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    Definetly this is not the worst SW for me. Even PT has some of the worst moments and OW and BOBFA were not that good.

    This show is still good. I will take this chapter as the weakest though.

    Definetly the weird part didn't worked quite well for me (as much as I love Jack Black and weird movies). If i didn't like that party part (and for you is the worst SW) is because looks like a lot a Marvel movie. And is precisley what I don't want in SW, being Marvelized. I always pray for SW to not be like Marvel.Trying too hard to be funny with gas every 5 minutes, overacting (and bad acting) and out of place vibes. The set piece in Plazir-15 doesn't flow, personal opinion. At least the dinner part.

    Of course this subplot in this new planet has little details insight about how Republic and administrators work (who they will give alliance to Mandalore like actual politic behaviours in some countries) and how old droids are seen and treated (something like The Bad Batch but with droids). But the whole thing had different vibes from the rest of the show.

    Also the Empire stolen fleet I still think is useful to the series. Still have faith in see a space batlle between Mandalorians and the remnants of the Empire.

    Need to watch it again.
     
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    Didn't this turn out to be a much ado about nothing? The Nielsen ratings so far have still be good even if they're down marginally. The idea they're "leaving in droves" is just sensationalist internet Bantha fodder.
     
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    Yup, thats what their saying, marginally down from the last season, pundits believe the show is in trouble. That's not how I feel about the show, I still enjoy it very much so, I got up at 4am to watch it, so I'm not a part of that demographic. I believe they are referring to the general audience which I am not. :D

    Best review so far:

     
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    hmm...

    I think this season isn't what people expected it was going to be, and personally I think that's very okay.

    In Rebels, we saw the "retaking of Mandalore", and it was a 2 episode arc with a couple small skirmishes. We got longer arcs than that about R2 getting lost with a frog guy in The Clone Wars.

    So I'm pretty okay with this being a transitional season. Setting up for the greater conflict to come. My only complaint so far is that I do kinda feel like Din is often getting lost in the mix of things. I don't mind that Bo has the spotlight right now (as long as that eventually pays off), but Din is starting to feel like he's fading into the rest of the Children of the Watch... but honestly, I expect that might also pay off at some point. I think, perhaps, he's supposed to feel a little less like the guy we've gotten to know the first few seasons, and a bit more like the badass silent type we saw in the first episode. I think, and hope, his arc might eventually have him leave that life behind again.
     
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    For the record, that describes Season 2 to a tee. It’s one of the things that’s woven into the fabric of the show. I guess it’s one of those things you either love — or don’t.
    I understand why you may feel that way but don’t confuse the writing with the directing. IMO, Bryce was given (or asked for) a VERY challenging episode to direct. IMO she handled it beautifully. The thing about BDH-directed episodes is that they get better and better with each viewing as you pick up on more and more things you failed to notice earlier.

    This is an episode that I’m really looking forward to seeing in Disney’s “Making of The Mandalorian Season 3” video.
     
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    "Pundits" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
     
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