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The New Jedi Will Rise

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BespinMinersUnion1138, May 25, 2017.

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  1. WookieNookie

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    Could "The" relate to a prophecy, say of a chosen one?
     
    #21 WookieNookie, May 26, 2017
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    I thought Rian confirmed that Luke is the last Jedi.
     
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    Rian said that it was intended as singular and that it referred to Luke. I am sure with some ambiguity. But where it starts may not be where it ends.

    As for the title tangent. Snoke I think laid out the plot.
    "There has been an Awakening."

    "The Resistance cannot be allowed to find the Last Jedi."

    "If Skywalker returns then New Jedi will rise.

    So Rise of the New Jedi is a good start.

    Rebirth of the Jedi
    Rise of the Light
    Triumph of the Light
     
    #23 Pastor Barndog, May 26, 2017
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    He could be able to sense the possible rise of a new Jedi if Skywalker comes back. Or he could be referring to Ben Solo. But I suspect he is referring to a new Jedi. One he has foreseen will rise if Luke comes back - what is interesting is Kylo doesn't tell him about Rey until after she withstands his mind probe. So its ambiguous as yet to know if Snoke knows that she's back in the game.
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    He did. But the thread is about Snoke referring to the new Jedi. Or perhaps its the New Jedi.
     
    #24 BespinMinersUnion1138, May 26, 2017
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    I know it's in our nature to over think things as Star Wars fans but Luke was the Last Jedi after Return of the Jedi. Now that doesn't mean there are people out there that he's trained. One doesn't become a Jedi just because they were trained.

    Snoke's fear seems simple. If Luke returns he will bring back the Jedi Order.

    There's nothing to suggest that Snoke fears a "new type of Jedi."
     
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    I didn't say "New" as in a type Jedi. And yes, he probably meant New in the plural sense. BUT. We also know Rian and Colin T. are not hamstrung by preconceived story beats. So its entirely possible Rian or Colin T. can retcon that statement. Lucas did it all the time.
     
    #26 BespinMinersUnion1138, May 26, 2017
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    Its not ambiguous if you now how language works.
     
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    I've very clearly wrote WHY I think it could be retconned and why it could be an ambiguous use of the phrase "the new Jedi." Not sure why you've decided to piss in my Wheaties over what is clearly an opinion that doesn't in the least affect you. Try writing the correct version of (k)now and I might start to take you seriously.
     
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    Because theories should looked at and tested to see if they are legit and possible.

    Snokes language is not how one would talk if they were speaking about someone/something specific, not general. So this idea/theory that he was talking about (to him) and unknown individual or something doesn't hold up given the words they choose to have him speak.
     
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    If it's someone new then why would they be a Jedi?
     
    #30 AstromechRecords, May 26, 2017
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    Luke is "the Last Jedi" as the movie starts.
    What Rey discovers is that Luke is just giving up.
    What Leia discovers is that Ben is not yet irrecuperable.

    Ironically, maybe it is the two female leads' fate and arc that will bring Luke back in action and Ben back to his senses.
     
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    how is that ironic?
     
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    Because Snoke could forsee the future of a new Jedi (singular) rising. Yoda said "after I'm gone, last of the Jedi you will be." But he also said in that same conversation that Luke would not be a Jedi until he confronted Vader again. So basically, Yoda foresaw Luke becoming a Jedi.
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    Did you miss the part where I said that conversations in this saga get retconned all the time? I do believe he means "new Jedi" in the plural but they can retcon it to make it a singular.

    Vader being Luke's father didn't hold up until it was retconned and explained as a "certain point of view."
     
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    Sure, if they decide to ignore how the English language works.

    The language the used to have Snoke express this free tells us he worried about a Jedi Order.

    Yes the OT ended up playing games with "a certain point of view" BUT that was because Lucas didn't have a clear plan of where he was going when he wrote ANH. Currently Lucasfilm is being guided by a story team. They knew when writing TFA where the ST was going and what the whole point was.

    Also, "a certain point view" was a meaning problem, what you're suggesting is a language problem - if they change that, Snoke speak not English well.
     
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    Of course he's worried about a Jedi Order. But, he can use "the new Jedi" if he's referring to a person that he has foreseen and predicted to Kylo rising to become the new Jedi. Lucasfilm has a story team, but, according Rian, he had free reign to take the story where he wanted. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he asked them to retcon that line.

    Is it a long shot? Of course. Lucas didn't have a clear path when he did the story treatment for ESB either when Leigh Brackett went down. And if you've read "The Making Of..." books, you'd know that even ROTJ didn't have a clear path because he and his story team flirted with turning Luke to the dark side.

    My entire point of this damn thread was that there is a very unlikely, but still possible, chance that Snoke is expressing his worry of "the new Jedi" whom he and Kylo have talked about and this "new Jedi" is a person, not, a group.
     
    #35 BespinMinersUnion1138, May 27, 2017
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    People make mistakes. Look how you spelled (k)new.
     
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    He didn't defeat Vader in ESB because Vader didn't let him. He beat Vader in ROTJ because he taunted him about his sister. It made him angry. But backing up a minute...going off to save his friends was selfless, but it was also stupid. He got his but kicked by Vader even though he wasn't trying to kill him just get him to join him. Got his hand cut off, and missed Han being put in Carbon freeze.
     
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    I don't think it was selfless. It was selfish. He went for the wrong reasons. He missed the point that by going there and risking capture he was not honoring their sacrifice.
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    Boom goes the dynamite.
     
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    ONly if he is referring to someone specific.

    Really Johnson has free-reign? So you think hte story would let him do something that contridicted Rebels or their novels or comic books?

    And I'm pointing out to you that this situation is different the "point of view thing" because of the language used. For this to happen, for some reason Snoke forgot how english works.
     
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    I'm going to comment on the title... I know this isn't the best thread for that but I searched a dozen pages and couldn't find a more appropriate sounding one.

    Before Yoda dies he tells Luke once he dies, "the last of the Jedi will you be." Seems pretty clear to me that the title is simply stating that Luke is the last remaining Jedi not that he is necessarily the last there will ever be.

    Sorry if I'm a bit off the mark with where I posted this...
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    Dang it I made my post above before I read this. You totally beat me to the punch with the Yoda quote!!!
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    Not sure I agree with this. I think if you fall to the dark side, you cease to be a Jedi. Once Anakin fell and became Vader, he was no longer considered a Jedi.

    I guess he can always be redeemed like Anakin, but if that happens I expect it to be an ep IX twist, thus not related to TLJ.
     
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