SPECULATION The Official Rey's Parents in Ep. IX Thread

Why even include the scene with Maz asking "who's the girl?" abruptly cutting away. Okay, so we don't rehash the last hour of the movie. Only then for Maz to come skipping down the steps, and everything suddenly is crystal clear to her. Then add to that discussion of the saber passing form Anakin to Luke to Rey.
This is only one example.

Listen I hear what you're saying. In retrospect and in light of some interviews about the process, what I see with TFA is that they really didn't know, and JJ set it up to go whatever way the next writer wanted. If they wanted her to be a Skywalker or Solo, then the seeds would have been planted, and if they wanted to make her a nobody, then the seeds were planted to hand wave.

The problem is you can't have both without the reaction the movie is getting. You're right to say the viewer is responsible and can accept it, but the trolling was there inadvertently or not.

 

And I remember that Kylo/Ben said that they were both dead and buried in paupers graves. So no happy reunion....

 

The thing there is that he was also trying to emotionally beat her down. He was preying on her fears. She could have been coaxed into acknowledging her fear rather than actually knowing. When she sought the vision of her parents, the Force chose not to provide. Why would he be able to see it and not her?

There is an opening there for another explanation.

 

This is the correct line of thought, although we must prepare for the potential dirt bag parent story route.

On a side note, what would a pauper's grave look like on Jakku? I imagine you wouldn't sweat your arse off burying someone in the desert heat.
Do you just kind of kick the sand on top of them, or wait for sandstorm to do the work?

 

Yes, yes JJ talked about seeing the original and how Luke was nobody then and blah blah, but why not rest on what you'd said. He said the parents weren't in the movie, then retracted following the media questions.. I think George would have been brazen enough to just let it lie in the dirt. I can only imagine the dozens of emails flying around from the marketing team(s) to JJ cc'ing Kath and the story group. "So are we going with the nobody story or is she a famous one?"

I guess I will just assume that TFA's editor was incompetent and they were having some good ole' fashion trolling fun. If they'd removed some of these scenes/lines- and marketing gem(s) (below), you'd have a situation that would be more concrete and controlled to me.

I love eating crow, but the reality is Kylo is misinformed half the time.

 

My guess would be JJ originally had planned Rey to be someone and RJ literally flipped the script.

Honestly I wanted Rey to be someone, but at this point, from a story-telling integrity point of view, you gotta keep her what TLJ told us. Rj destroyed all the mystery boxes JJ set up, so flip-flopping again between directors would be absurd and basically throw out all the well established guidelines of decent story writing (RJ might have already done that).

I feel JJ wants to write her in as someone in 9, since she's so ridiculously powerful without reason (at least her being someone would give some reason), but you literally can't at this point.

If I wrote 8 I would have outlined:

• Snoked seduced Ben, who seduced Luke's other padawans
• Ben and the fallen padawans are the Knights of Ren
• They betrayed Luke in an epic battle, who couldn't take down 7 (?) of them and had to retreat
• Kylo (trying to finish what Vader started) is hunting down Luke with the Knights of Ren
• Which is partially why Luke has fled to the island (he's also seeking the original Jedi texts which legend has it holds forgotten secrets of the force)
• Snoke is also hunting down Luke because he has an obsession with retrieving the texts
• Luke leaves a map, incase sh** hits the fan
• Opening scenes with Luke training Rey on the island
• Insert start of side-plot quest for Finn and Poe
• Kylo and the Knights of Ren eventually discover Luke's location, via the tracker Rey is wearing
• They approach (at night when its raining just like the vision) and they have an epic battle
• Towards the end of the duel Kylo reveals to Rey that Luke was the one who "left her for dead on Jakku."
• Luke and Rey flee on the falcon
• Luke reveals Rey's Grandfather is Obi-Wan Kenobi and explains he hid her from Snoke who was pursuing her
• Kylo Ren killed her parents at Snoke's request
• Space battle between TFO and rebels, ultimately rebels narrowly escape to hyper space
• Final scenes are Kylo on the island approaching the tree, inside he pulls out a book, slowly turns the cover over and we see an ancient Jedi text... at the bottom is the author's name, which reads "Master Snoke"
• Cue credits

 

Rey is someone. People aren't just defined by their parents. Rey was the only one who was concerned with who her family was. Everyone else just wanted to know who she was. Key difference there.

 

You are actually 100% defined by your parents. You directly inherit their DNA, there's no random DNA in there (barring tiny mutations).

 

Yeah I know, it was tongue-in-cheek.

I think they've got a difficult situation. How would you explain Rey's "Mary Sue-ness" without giving her legendary lineage. If she came from nobodies... what did she do to make herself what she is... the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy?

 

You guys never learn, do you?

 

Please enlighten us with your wisdom!

 

I don't claim to be wise, but let me share something from someone who was:
I know one thing: that I know nothing (Socrates)

Open your mind and let yourself be surprised and fascinated. For instance:

Your statement is filled with assumptions. No one ever said she is the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy nor that her lineage needs to play a part in whatever she is / will become. This stuff comes from "rules" that the fan base assumed were true and which ultimately led to disappointment.

My own 2 cents:
Movies are a work of art. Embrace the artist's view and you are bound to be less disappointed and more fascinated by it.

 

I've thought something along these same lines too. If they wanted her to be a Kenobi, they could also be drunk deadbeats. In the Obi Wan film there could be something to the effect of while Obi Wan was in great despair following Anakin's fall & order 66, he unknowingly knocks up some Mos Eisley call girl in a drunken stupor.

It would stand to reason that that call girl would go on to raise a deadbeat child, who would then grow up to be a deadbeat parent. It's a pretty dark story-line, especially for Star Wars, but if they wanted to go that route I think something along these lines would work

 

The Last Jedi was Luke, he's gone, so now Rey is the Last Jedi, which, by logic makes her the most powerful Jedi.

We shouldn't be allowed to be critical or have an opinion? We should just embrace everything and anything an "artist" does because they're an "artist?"

If you don't have rules then you have lawless storytelling, which in my opinion isn't very fun. I mean, if that's the standard then in 9 it would be completely acceptable to have neo-turtle Jedis wielding triple bladed red lightsabers while flying space hippos who can eat Imperial cruisers.

 

Dude, I said that you guys never learn, you asked me to elaborate (albeit sarcastically) and I did. I never implied in any way that the movies will be good no matter what nor that you aren't entitled to you opinion. I merely pointed that approaching them with a set of pre-determined rules you think the filmmaker needs to follow is bound to disappoint you. You do with that what you may. I personally had a blast with the movie and I'm sorry if you didn't

 

Right, and then I responded which was slightly critical of your explanation about "how we never learn," and now you're being defensive...

The only "rules" I expect from a filmmaker is to walk out the theatre not feeling like I would rather have my $12 than that movie experience. Maybe your point about watching it with pre-determined rules is for someone else, cuz I didn't walk into TLJ thinking Rey has to be a Kenobi, or Snoke has to be Darth Plagueis or otherwise I'm going to hate it.

When there's no decent explanation for a story line, or literally no explanation at all, like how Rey went from thinking Luke & the Jedi were a myth to a week later being the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, I have an issue with that.

I'm all for art, changing things up, and approaching story lines from a different perspective - but at the same time I'm not going to turn off my critical thinking just because I'm worried about being disappointed from my favorite franchise of all time.

 

Now you are just going in circles. I already gave you my opinion, because you asked.
I'm really sorry you got upset that such a great movie didn't meet your expectations.

 

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