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SPECULATION The problem with having too many new aliens, and the absence of George Lucas

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. Daft Ada

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    What's a U-Wing? See, this is where I am at something of a loss in my post-fandom days. I stopped buying film-related books and magazines after Revenge of the Sith, so when someone mentions a character name or a space ship which isn't specifically named in the new films, I have no idea who or what they're talking about.
     
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    The "Uber" Wing was the "shuttle" type ship used by the terro..... i mean Rebels in R1. @Daft Ada
     
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    I just feel that we need balance in how they handle introducing new aliens and also using old ones. If we look at the original films, we see mostly new aliens whenever we see new places.

    ANH, of course everything started there.
    ESB, we get Chewie and that that's pretty much it for familiar sentient aliens, everything else is new.
    RotJ, we see familiar aliens(along with some new ones) again because we are back on Tattooine, but new ones when we go elsewhere.

    Once we get to the Prequels we see mostly new aliens as well except for when we return to familiar planets like Tattooine. Coruscant has some familiar aliens, but that makes sense as it is a galactic melting pot of different alien cultures.

    Depending on the context of the stories being told, I'm totally fine with the aliens being mostly new on most new planets that they visit in the movies. If they return to familiar locations, then we best see some familiar alien faces, but if not, that's actually pretty much in line with George's movies.

    That being said, would it have killed them to put at least one or two familiar alien races in Maz's cantina? Just a Rodian here or a Twi'lek there. They could still have had pretty much all of the new races they introduced, but having a familiar alien or two would have helped better tie the scene to the overall saga. Classic aliens are good for nostalgia as well. Watching Rogue One, it was a treat to see Admiral Raddus and other Mon Calamari of different skin tones. It was a nice callback to RotJ and Ackbar, while also expanding upon the Mon Calamari and the different variants in their species.
     
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    I like a good mix.

    Part of the Maz cantina scene and the people of Jeddah from RO show is huge alien diversity. That in and of itself is a grand homage to Lucas.

    Also note that Rebels involves a Chiss, a twilek, and Zebs speices. So they definitely are fine with tradition.

    What annoys me is that the aliens are mostly set decorating. Why is it that of Leia's many advisors only a couple were alien. Why is Poe human, Lor San Takka, Rose, and it sounds like Del Toro will be human too.

    Give us Maz as a main character moving forward.

    A bothan commando please!

    Give some big parts to aliens. They don't have to be full cgi.

    Still holding hope Del Toro is Thrawn.
     
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    Scientifficaly I believe probabaility of having so much humanoid intelligent species in one galaxy is to high.

    I would say just few humanoid species, plus one or two reptilian and that's it. They should have left where Lucas ended originally, the Galaxy is in majority human since Humans colonized it during over 30 000 years .( humans like to do that).
     
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    Sorry my friend, but science has no place in Star Wars when it comes to stuff like that. Star Wars is, and always has been, a fantasy story with sci-fi dressings.
     
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    Yes and I already have given higher estimate than scientific, I read somwehere that there is very low probability of more than few intelligent species living in the same time in our Galaxy, ok Lucas put it around....50? and Now Disney is putting it in hundreds.


    Disney putting hundreds of intelligent aliens in one same galaxy, and joining this with the fact that Empire was in fact Human regime, makes Humans most agressive species of them all, in fact an racist opressors. To many aliens for Kids, and to many Human regimes for adults in the same place and time in galaxy far---far--away.
     
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    Lucas put it a lot higher than that, in the films as well as in other stuff like The Clone Wars. George has never been concerned with the scientific likelihood of there being multiple species in the galaxy, because Star Wars is a fantasy. Also, where do you get all of the hundreds of new aliens from Disney? We must be watching different movies then, because I didn't see nearly that many new aliens.
     
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    Just In Maz Kanata pub I believe there could be a 100 counted.

    in Lucas's Mos Eisley Cantina was arrund 20 aliens, and that was already fairly enough.

    So I would say comparing at Maz's and Mos Eisley cantina that is a general indicator of increase of alliens from Lucas to Disney.

    Ok, kids are lovin it, and we may to, but there is treshold at which will be problem to comprehend whatahel are all other aleins doing in galaxy rulled by mostly humans.
     
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    You could maybe make the case for a hundred people total in Maz's Cantina, but no way in Heck did they show 100 new species in that scene. I would say it's probably roughly equivalent to the species count we had in the Cantina scene in ANH, and probably less than the species count in Jabba's Palace in RotJ.
     
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    Oh man, you invokend Jabba's palace. damn., all of the evil ( and, if we don't count Boba Fett and bob who was keeper of Rankor) entire palace was full of them alien scum.

    To much aliens in any way, for me, in entertaining way, human allies way, and in galaxy scum way. Some aliens are neccessary for the story, like say Mon Calamari and their dangerous battleships. Oh and Evoks to. Maz kanata, a OK, but some are just not adding anything to the film, overkill.
    I just hope there will be no much more new ones, just we find name of the species of S.n.o.k.e and thats it.
     
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    I think having aliens with real dialogue would be cool in live action would be nice, and R1 would have been a great movie to do that with.
     
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    I liked though that one alien in R1 , who's only language was a sound of his haevy machine-gun

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    ...space monkey was cut..
     
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    I miss his laughs.
     
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    Lol good rule. I know where you got it from.
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    :D It was unintended. Unlike trump im not removing 2 things after adding 1. But he is correct. We have 2 many regulations.
     
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    Yeah, when it comes to world building, R1 just kicks the pants off of TFA.
     
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    This has been a problem for me for all of the other movies except the OT. Too many different species. It seems to take away from the movies for me. The biggest problem I've always had with the prequels, besides all the new colors and styles of light sabers, was all of the droids/bots. It takes the humanity away. Where is the "struggle" when droids/clones can be readily replaced?
     
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    Canto Bight and Rian Johnson's aliens are unforgivable.
     
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