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SPECULATION The Role of the Jedi and the Force in Episode VII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DEKKA129, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. DEKKA129

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    I think that it's to be assumed that by the time of the OT, there really weren't any Jedi left other than Obi Wan and Yoda. The idea that there were all these Jedi hiding out from the Empire is in pretty clear contradiction of what was stated in the actual movies. (Which is why I'm still not sold on this whole Star Wars: Rebels concept - I know that nobody can bear to tell a Star Wars story anymore without Jedi flipping all over the screen, but IMHO the Kanan character is really dragging the thing into a weird area, continuity-wise.)
     
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    Yes, I couldn't agree more. I don't want to get desensetized to lightsabers again. BUT it would be cool if Luke has made a few new sabers in his spare time.
     
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    Yep. Which suggests that if there is any truth to the rumor/notion that character(s) from Rebels will end up in the ST films and/or tie the trilogies together, it would have to be Ezra because 1.) All of the Jedi are supposed to be wiped out when ANH arrives, and 2.) I don't see Disney killing the kid star of this show- whether off-screen or not. Its just not what they'd be interested in doing. He's the only person (outside of Sabine) that would be truly eligible for any ST appearance (due to his age in Rebels). If he is to be a semi-padawan-in-training, then Disney would make sure that he was spared somehow even if everyone else is destroyed. Again, I'm soooo not yet sold on this Rebels story-line's meaningfulness but I can only hope to be as time progresses.
     
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    I don’t see why the Rebels storyline is a contradiction of continuity. It’s not like all of the Jedi suddenly dropped dead after order 66. They were warned to go into hiding, and I imagine throughout rebels we will see the remaining stragglers either die or reject the Jedi ways and retreat into permanent hiding.

    When Yoda says Luke is the last, I think he is saying he is the last active Jedi. The last who will stand up to the empire. The last who can save them. Not necessarily the last force sensitive person with training. There could be any number of force wielders waiting in the woodwork who were not at the level of Yoda or Luke to be willing to stand up and come out of hiding once the smoke cleared. Just because they are Jedi, doesn’t’ mean they couldn’t get scared and retreat to save their own lives. As we saw throughout the prequel trilogy and TCW, there are many lesser Jedi succeptible to weakness.

    Yoda is powerful, but not omniscient. He sees much, but not all. If a Jedi or Padawan wanted to stay hidden, I’m sure they could. Just as Yoda and Obi-wan did.
     
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    Also...Obi-Wan and Yoda both lied a lot...
     
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    That's a pretty cheap cop-out for any kind of storyteller, though, to claim that continuity doesn't matter because this, that or the other character lies a lot.

    This was a big part of why the PT never really worked all that well for me, and I would hope that the new SW team will not fall back on this sort of thing going forward. Anyone can just pretend to change up continuity by claiming that what was established before was all just big ol' fib. But it's not particularly good storytelling.

    Strong storytelling depends on building on what has already been written, and not going so far afield of established story facts that it requires a lawyer-like parsing of terms and splitting of hairs. To go from Yoda telling Luke that he is the last of the Jedi to suddenly having a bunch of surviving Jedi running around the galaxy just doesn't work. Hell, even Obi Wan was privately fretting to Yoda that "That boy is our last hope" when Luke jetted off to save his friends in ESB. Why not work with what's there rather than just chucking it all in the trash for the sake of populating the Imperial-era galaxy with a bunch of Jedi?

    They really need to kill off Kanan and any other Jedi heroes they create for Rebels by the time the series wraps up. But since it's a program that's apparently designed mainly for young children, I don't get the feeling that that's gonna happen.

    (Your mileage may vary...)
     
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    TCW had no problem killing Jedi. I doubt Rebels will either.

    But again, there’s a difference between Jedi running around the galaxy, and a shamed, scared Jedi retreating into a hidden life, forgetting their past, and rejecting their identity as a protector.

    I agree, some Jedi guy hanging out on Coruscant, breaking up Hutt plans but not being recognized by Yoda is a problem. A tormented Jedi, hiding from his responsibilities and rejecting his commitments while in hiding has the potential for great stories, and I don’t think it would conflict with the continuity of what was laid out on Dagobah. Yoda would not be aware of that person, and if he was, he may still not see him as a hope to aid in their mission.
     
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    I don't understand complaints like "why can't we have a Star Wars that doesn't have Jedi?"

    Because Jedi/lightsabers is what separates Star Wars from other Sci-Fi space flicks?

    That would be like Star Trek without the Enterprise (which they did in Deep Space 9 and it was horrendously boring).
     
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    Gasp! I was on board with you until the DS9 thing. Best Trek Ever...
     
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    Ahem...from a certain point of view...
     
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    That's a pretty tough question to answer precisely but there are few books that deal with the survivors of Order 66. Some of the earlier "old canon" books released before the prequels talk about an unaccounted refugee community of JEDI refugees in the "Children Of Jedi" series. There is another more recent trilogy called "Coruscant Nights" which covers more survivor stories. All of those are what you called LEGENDS.
     
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    Hitfix's Drew McWeeny (October 7, 2014):

    FAST TRANSCRIPT

    http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ma-hayeks-action-chops-in-this-weeks-ask-drew

    That's his opinion for whatever it's worth. Just pointing it out.
     
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    Well this and Jason claims yes on the Jedi as well, I had thought about the possibility but had tabled it until now. So I guess I should dig up my Jedi theories since I've been proven wrong.

    Domhnall Gleeson, I had really like that idea of Luke's son falling to the dark side hence he goes into exile, but I appear to be the only thinking that and we have no rumors supporting that so this is tabled for now. Gleeson is still highly likely to be a Skywalker/Solo and thus a Jedi

    Pip Anderson, Flippy cool Jedi, maybe a Solo, decent chance he isn't

    Christina Chong, Jedi with bigger role later my other idea was perhaps Imperial

    Crystal Clark, see Chong

    Was Yerolemu ever confirmed? He was the only reason I had even flirted with the idea of Jedi.

    Now a couple things especially concerning Ridley, how old are we assuming Kira is? Luke has been gone for around 10 years, Ridley looks a little young to have been his apprentice for any substantial period of time. This does give credence to Kira The Secret Solo theories in a sense, why is she supposedly called Skywalker's apprentice? In my mind she is actually just destined to be his apprentice, her own form of chosen one. Since the rumors now support Jedi they will probably have a virtually underground role, viewed as a crazy revived cult that caused the Empire through their stupidity and corruption in their previous form. Luke will have probably wanted a behind the scenes soul searching order, inspired by his mentors Obi-Wan and Yoda. They will still know how to fight, but the focus of order isn't as guardians of peace and justice but just meditating on the force.

    But Luke has been missing for a decade, his older students are trying to keep the order intact, but any support the Jedi could have relied on Luke to begin with. The younger Jedi like Chong and Clark barely even remember Skywalker. I don't think Boyega has any jedi training, he is just one of many force sensitive to slip through the cracks.

    My Jedi theories are a lot less solid then my other ones because frankly I had figured they weren't going to have them in Episode VII, happily mistaken
     
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    My brother and I were up last night talking and he suggested an interesting idea. We think the Jedi of the sequel trilogy will be the next generation of Jedi. By that I mean they will not take sides in any conflict they will seek out injustice being done on both sides Rebels and Empire alike. The Jedi will be a their own faction onto themselves. They have learned that when you take sides your viewpoint becomes blinded and you may end up following a corrupt politician or some evil power hungry maniac. Sidious taught them their most important lesson.
     
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    Whoever thought of that is awesome ;)
     
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    He has his days.
     
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    Has anyone else speculated that Skellig is Luke's batcave and that he journeys out into space wearing an awesome mask to fight EVIL
     
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    That would make since because some of the concept art was listed as The Dark Knight.
     
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    Wow! That is an Excellent Idea!:) And should make perfect sense. I didn't think Luke Skywalker would make the same mistakes the Jedi Council made in the Old Republic, so I hope that crossed JJ's mind. I think Your Idea is perfect! (Two thumbs way up):D

    Interesting, Ponder on that more I Will.(yoda)
     
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