SPECULATION The Role of the Jedi and the Force in Episode VII

Like I said my brother though of most of it so give him like 12% of the credit.

 

You and I have talked about this before on other threads, I think... and I agree totally. The old Jedi order was corrupt, their "mission" to be the guardians of the senate forced them into protecting the very cancer that consumed them. When it came to the end, Mace went to kill Palpatine, not to arrest him as the law required. "He is too dangerous" That the Jedi would break their own laws when push came to shove was one of the final straws for Anakin, he realized that the Jedi for what they had become, and had nothing to hold onto when seduced by Palpatine

Luke would, of course, see this... and (in the questioning of moral ambiguities that he is faced with) seek the best path for what he passed on.

Right must always be the champion of Might... for the Jedi to remain pure, they cannot have allegiances to anything other than what is right...

In my Zorro/Dark Knight concept... just as I believe commando Jedi (which potentially consists solely of Luke, but I think his successor will be there as well) are seeking out remnant targets, I think they would have absolutely no problems taking out Alliance forces that were corrupt.

We all keep talking about the remnant Imperial forces being fragmented, but few think about the fact that the Alliance forces may be just as equally fragmented, as a land-grab power struggle rushes to fill the vacuum left by the Imperial downfall...

 

Exactly.

 

You know, Tom... not to blow a nova up your sundress... but I respect your opinion here more than most... this means a lot...

 

Well thanks.

 

Well I don't mean to get all mushy about blast... this doesn't mean we will be holding hands and taking showers into the long hours of the morning... I just saw your post, and thought to myself, "If Tom agrees, i can't be too far off..."

 

That is Tid's theory

Edit- I see he has already noted the similarity, moving on

Edit 2- Just wanted to say that I feel the Jedi are a third faction but as an introspective soul searching Buddhist one. The Jedi interfering in Republic affairs still has a sour taste for people who remember and/or know about the clone wars. The Jedi are still trying to figure exactly what is right

 

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Lot of people of similar ideas on a the Cantina. I do not think Tid will get to upset if someone happens to mention an idea that is similar to one of his. There is a lot of room for multiple ideas and viewpoints. Kind of rubbed me the wrong way but whatever moving on.

 

I was saying someone who agrees with you

addition- Sorry you misinterpreted what I was saying as attempting to say someone has a claim on any particular theory. I wish more people agreed with mine haha.

 

Oh my bad dude I thought I was being accused of bumping someone's idea. Read it the wrong way. You get an Ewok as an personal apology.

 

Personally, I am just happy people don't think I went nutsy coocoo

 

Whatever that means

 

That you have ideas similar to mine, ergo if I am crazy I have good company

 

Thanks for the trip into the mind of TIDMAT! I know this is off topic they can rate my post that way if need be but I googled your name and this gaming community came up. What is your relation?

 

I am the Sr Admin there

 

Well, depending on how many Jedi are actually in the galaxy at this point, I like the idea of them standing up for justice no matter what side the offending party represents.

I just want to see that Luke has indeed taken up the mantle of Jedi leadership and passed on what he has learned- as instructed by Yoda. I don't favor this idea of a "reclusive hermit" type figure that is more invested in protecting himself and his loved ones from a super, Jedi-hating threat that he'd willingly retreat to the shadows while trying to figure out what he actually stands for and also while not being engaged with restoring the Order somehow. Just doesn't strike me as proper story flow and progression (from what we last see of him and the Jedi situation anyway). 30+ years is a long enough time for all kinds of things to have changed and been reconsidered, but -Lucy- -er, J.J. would have some real 'splaining to do if Luke hasn't, at least, attempted to establish a Jedi contingent in the galaxy.

Even if Luke is on some 007 secret mission by himself to uncover some critical information about a dangerous and potentially lethal threat, I'd like to think that there is at least one other Jedi (perhaps, apprentice/not Leia) that is somewhat aware of the situation and is awaiting instructions while possibly being a go-between for him and the "fam". I realize that it's conceivable to think that Ridley (-and, to a slightly lesser extent, Boyega) are non-trained Force sensitives that find themselves in a situation of destiny and personal discovery that they are drawn to seeking Luke out for his guidance and assistance (based on the running theme in current rumors and concept art leaks), but I'm simply not completely sold on this being the premise of the story yet. I gotta see/read more as time progresses.

 

I think it's going to be a hell of a complicated trilogy - there will be so many opposing factions, all vying for control of something (natural resources, control over entire systems, seats on the senate, etc). Just look at the Christian faith (depending on whether you buy it or not) - when Jesus and his gang were around, that was is, the be all and end all. Now, 2000 years on, and there's hundreds of sub-religions all based loosely on the same events, each with their own interpretations of the events and their own political motivations for changing / distorting / interpreting the actual events. So I don't see why the Empire wouldn't be the same. I can only see two real reasons why the Alliance would split, though - 1) We've removed the biggest threat in the galaxy, let's move on and make peace everywhere, and 2) The Empire are retreating! Hunt them down and finish them off! (A bit like Malak and Revan in KotOR.)

I agree, and I think that would be the ideal way forward for the story if they are staying true to Lucas' original plan for the stories - the ST sounds like it's supposed to be very "morally grey", or "chaotic neutral", if you're a proper geek. And I definitely think it will lend more depth to the characters and storyline, with morally ambiguous situations to face and difficult, and character-defining decisions to make. After all, Lucas did say the ST would be more philosophical, didn't he?

 

Well a couple comments about these theories:

I definitely think Luke will have learned that the Jedi have to be above the political aspects of a Republic. However, this would have taken him reviewing historical documents. I think this is in part why he and Leia will keep their relationship a secret according to my theory and why Luke will have secluded himself from the Republic and the galaxy at large -- in order to keep the balance of power equal as in no one side can have a Force wielder as a weapon.

This in turn proves to be a mistake as all of the new generations of Force attuned beings will have been robbed of a teacher and mentor to teach them the ways of the Force and how to judge right from wrong.

Yes, Yoda told Luke to pass on what he has learned. But let's not forget that Luke basically taught himself. he had very minor teachings from Ben and Yoda, certainly NOT the 20 of so years that the old padwans received. I think this is a very intersting concept to explore as these new Forcies search for a mentor.

 

an interesting idea echo

the thing that confuses me, and puts a great big blocker up everytime i try and think about this stuff is that kenobi and yoda (and tarkin) seem convinced that there are no jedi's left.. and after luke/leia.. that's it.. done.

quite a few of us on here have speculated that characters from rebels may survive the vader purge... perhaps even Ahsoka (i almost think she HAS to be in or referenced in a new film or it leaves a huge black hole for me)

so what i'm really asking is.. did some jedi's survive the purge and only show themselves after the emperor's death? its important to me because if the answer is yes - then i think its then obvious that the jedi order will probably be completely re-built and not hang on what happened/happens to Luke.