SPECULATION The Secret To Luke's Map?

I am just going to repost this as I think some might have missed it and it answers questions regarding Rey's parents and how they got to Jakku etc and why Luke was left on Ahch-To. I've read a lot of material surrounding this mystery and to my knowledge, this is the only real way it could work without there being any unanswered questions...

I might be wrong. It's be known.

 

Yeah, what Ben needed was love and support. A strong emotional connection with people that could steer him away from Snoke.
Instead, by sending him to Luke to be trained in the Jedi way, just increased his lust for power and made him even more susceptible to Snoke.

 

She doesn't blame Luke for Ben's fall though. She practically blames herself. She realises that they need Luke to fight the FO.

I don't buy the Kylo is actually good stuff. He does too much evil. He kills Han. Just look at how he is vs Rey and Finn.
And as Leia says "Luke is a Jedi, you're [Han] his father".
Luke got through to Vader because he was his son.

 

Why would it? Kylo would realise that Snoke want to destroy everything that could seduce Kylo to the light.

Then we'll leave it there!

Ben introduced the Force to Luke. At no point did he try or need to stop Luke turning evil.

Leia and Vader never knew they were related when they were around each other.

 

Ok, so Pablo has said that Rey was on Jakku long before the Jedi Academy massacre. Back to the drawing board...

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We basically have a situation where Rey is on Jakku long before the Jedi are taken down. We have LST retiring there and discovering the map whilst he was there. We have Kylo knowing that the map exists and then seeking LST out specifically later on to acquire it. And then we have Luke going to Ahch-To after the massacre, leaving Artoo with the Resistance, getting the map to LST on Jakku or leaving it with someone/people there already.

Mind f*****.

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Hmmm, reading those Pablo tweets I am not sure if he was talking about the actual Jedi massacre being before Rey was left on Jakku or the flashback attack where the clan leader gets killed by Ren...

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Ok, so just going back over old info about the KOR flashback scene and found this (again):

• We then see Naka's hand picks up the lightsaber (which is a reprise of what we saw at the beginning of the film), we then see him turn it on in his house and accidentally sets it on fire. He runs away and then has to go back to get the lightsaber
• Naka sells the Saber to a trader for next to nothing
• The Clan is lead by a prosperous rich man
• The Knights of Ren have raided the Clan before
• The Clan leader goes to the trader and buys the saber to defend against the Knights of Ren
• The Clan fights the Knights of Ren and loses
• Rey and her parents were part of the Clan, but they escape the attack
• Shot from the trailer is the Knights of Ren after having slaughtered the Clan
• Kylo sees Rey during the attack
• Kylo gets the Saber, but Maz steals it
• The family gets away and drops Rey off on Jakku and have never gone back for her

I wonder if there is truth in this clan business and Rey's folks being involved?

Something else just struck me - young Rey is wearing Jakku appropriate clothing when she is left with Unkar Plutt. This tells us one of two things:

1) Her home was on Jakku. She has always been there (hence her amazement at Maz's planet) and was just abandoned on the planet - not dropped off there.
2) She was certainly there for some time before she was left suggesting that her parents had business of some kind there to attend to - this must surely link in with LST?

 

I just read the novel again and it actually appears upon inspection that at no stage did Luke have the map that Lor San Tekka has.
In the novel it makes it apparent that the map was just the map to Ahch-To and the presumption is that Luke went to the First Jedi Temple - hence it then becomes a map to Luke.

Kylo says to Tekka in the film "The map to Skywalker, we know you've found it".
So it is apparent to me that many people seem to know Luke went searching for the First Jedi Temple. The FO/KoR knew this (probably from Kylo) but of course their section of the map was incomplete because someone erased the important part from the record obtained by the Empire after the destruction of the Jedi.

So this means that Luke had nothing to do with the map ending up on Jakku and being found by Lor San Tekka - which then means that Rey and the Map being on Jakku must surely have a connection outside of Luke or just be a coincidence...

 

Also just realised that the novel makes more sense of Artoos awakening. In the novel they are all talking about how the empire had the map. Rey learned this from Kylo and talks about how it was in their archives. THEN Artoo, in low power mode but not deaf, hears this and comes to life.

I always assumed that Artoo was in on Luke's plan but apparently not. In fact this is of course why Artoo tells Threepio "I've found him" or something to that effect. Artoo was just depressed when Luke went missing and no longer had a master and thus no cause. But when he realises he has the info to find his master, he comes back.

I'm also now thinking 99% that Luke went to Ahch-To to learn how to build a new Jedi order that could defeat Snoke. As we see in Rebels, there are many secrets hidden within the temples. This is why Snoke fears Luke returning and his line "the new Jedi will rise". Well he defeated Lukes first attempt so why worry so much? My guess is that the NEW Jedi will have different knowledge or talent that could defeat Snoke and the Dark Side threat perhaps.

I'm just wondering now why the hell that map was on Jakku along with Rey...

 

I think it has to be that, whoever they are, Rey's parents (or parent) took the map with them to Jakku.
The question is - did Lor San Tekka retire there before or after the map arrived? Or did he go there seeking it out and then decide to just live there?
Or did Lor San Tekka know of Rey and stay there to watch over her? If so, how come he makes no mention and nothing is set up between the two?
Another issue I have is exactly when the Jedi Massacre occurs. I'm being told that it was 6-7yrs before TFA. This is what Pablo says - however, I think the tweet where this is stated is somewhat confused with the massacre as seen in the flashback. This would change a lot as it could mean that the Jedi massacre happened 15 years ago - exactly when Rey is left on Jakku and Luke goes searching for Ahch-To...
The other question is that, if Rey's parent(s) did bring the map to Jakku, what were they doing with it, did they leave it with someone or did they lose it when they were getting away?

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One final point - Poe refers to the map as "legendary" and "unobtainable" in the novel. I'm wondering who told him that? I'm guessing this came from Luke to Leia to Poe. But then it seems that Luke did discover where the planet was or could be and went looking for it. I don't think Luke had the map though. I think he literally went searching for Ahch-To and eventually found it. Lor San Tekka knew Luke was doing this and continued his search for the map in the meantime - eventually finding it on Jakku. This must be why Tekka ends up on that planet and then decides to retire there. He must've known that the map was very important and that he had to keep it safe until Skywalker returned. But when Luke didn't look like he was coming back, Tekka had to get in touch with Leia and get her to find Luke and bring him back...