There is a genuine backlash building against The Last Jedi

He's anything but a PT Jedi - in character and personality.

 

If I'd heard grown men chanting this, I would've set myself on fire to erase the unsettingly pathetic memory. My god, it's embarrassing just reading that

 

Pretty immature.

 

Don't shoot the messenger for the message, please.

Absolutely yes. Like, here I am, the pot calling the kettle black, but this sort of outrage over something as trivial as a movie shows that there seems to be sort of a... What? "Spiritual vacuum", to quote Chuck Palahniuk.

Like, consumerism is surely part of the zeitgeist, but shouldn't emotions like that be reserved for "real" issues? - I didn't really like the movie very much, and apparently it was important enough to reactivate my old account here, and to delight you all with my rants, but SW "doesn't get my tears", nor anything beyond a mild shrug or frown, IYWIM.

 

No messenger shooting here, you're safe!

 

I agree with you. And I find it disconcerting.

 

I'm debating on a 2nd viewing, and if I was disappointed I probably would have seen it again by now. I was disappointed in the PT but through repeat viewings found things to like in the movies that actually gave more depth to the OT and overall story to the Saga. I honestly hated this movie on the level of Rocky 5 where I just have no desire to see it again it was so bad. I read an article where RJ's goal was to tear down SW and make you re-think how we feel about the movies now and into the future. I think that is a bunch of pretentious BS, as I love TFA, so why not build on that? What is the point of making a movie like TFA where most fans loved it, it became the #1 movie of all-time in regards to Box office gross, leave dozens of unanswered questions? And then pretty much say, "Well, we don't care about this story we laid out, we're going to do a Lucy and pull the football right out under Charlie Brown and you have to reevaluate the franchise??? Sorry, but I was doing fine after TFA and R1, now just make another movie that is just as good!

There is a definitely a backlash as you just have to look at the Box Office in the first week compared to TFA, as TFA box office was down around 25% in the first week, while TLJ is down 55%, so that tells me they are not going to get the repeat business that TFA got simply because 1/2 the fans like me just don't want to see it again. I saw TFA 4 times in the theater, and right now I'm debating whether I want to put myself through the anger of seeing TLJ again.

We agree on this point, as this is just stupid. The movies are what they are and we can take them or leave them. I understand fans anger but you can't undo the movie at this point, it is what it is.

 

Disney are expecting the same for the exact reasons you've just said. Except as they are expecting it, it won't be a failure if TLJ takes less than TFA. It happens with sequels in movies, ESB had a lower opening than ANH.

Also TFA was first new Star Wars in ten years and non prequel, it had that insane marketing angle to exploit, TLJ doesn't. Also TFA opened when schools were out, so kiddies could go. Schools still aren't out for TLJ.

No fam, TLJ ain't "failing" because of OT fans like you refusing to again. It's because of natural reasons.

 

You actually believe that story? LOL it's nonsense.

 

Most interesting. Thank you for sharing, man. Yeah, I'm 50/50 on Luke. I can appreciate the bold direction and even get that he's changed because it has been 30 years. But I also do think Luke should have just been a straight up old-fashioned hero. Star Wars, in my view, succeeded because aside from being rich thematically(adulthood/growing up, having faith) was a very romanticized story of good vs evil. It is King Arthur in space.

And Rian Johnson, much as I enjoyed The Last Jedi, perhaps may have gone too far. Because, contrary to some; there is such thing as straying away too far from the core of what makes Star Wars, Star Wars. Case in point, those who didn't like the PT. Personally, I don't like those movies, but I don't hate them. I respect what GL tired to do, but really aside from ROTS they are crap in my view.

Overall, I will be curious to see how this movie does going forward. Because, beyond just the film pundit-sphere, I am seeing a lot of divisiveness and backlash within the mainstream crowd. Regardless, I am glad you hear from someone who grew up seeing that movie as it came out in theaters.

I always love talking to people about the past, especially with films.

 

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Bots.

 

Everyone i know/ talked to in person has enjoyed the movie. The only negativity i have seen is online, and the only people to bother ranting online about something is people who hate it. People who enjoy something are much less likely to go online and praise a film on random sites, unless they are reviewing it for a company or think a movie is the second coming of Christ.

I even heard a small smattering of claps as the credits began in the cinema. It was a bit cringy, but the sentiment was there.

 

While we probably agree on the PT in terms of the films overall, I think the difference is that Lucas was able to give the OT more depth from them. Whereas RJ pretty much discarded everything from TFA, the PT, and the OT, and that is what has fans like me so mad.

You can say the PT love story is awful, or Anakin's turn to the darkside was not great, or Jar Jar was too much, those are all valid criticisms of the movie in general. But you can't deny the story was very good, just could have been executed better. The rise of Palpatine in the PT really gives you a new insight into ROTJ, where the death of Snoke in TLJ is just a bad trick for making you care about the main villain from TLJ. The Jedi order in the PT really gives you a backstory as to why Yoda/Kenobi felt the way they did about Vader and how Luke disagreed with them in ROTJ. Luke is TLJ is just old and crabby and there isn't much there to really further the narrative, other then it wasn't what we expected.

My point is that TLJ is relying on 'well you didn't expect this and that' but you still have to develop it and it has to fit with the previous narrative. When Luke throws his lightsaber down in ROTJ, NOBODY was expecting that, but it works because it is developed throughout the movie and that scene is final arc of that narrative. In TLJ, Rey just pesters Luke for the first hour and we don't get any reason why she is so powerful and can do all of these Jedi things, as that is just all thrown aside for Finn/Rose Casino Subplot

 

Just what I was expecting. An alt right idiot. It also explains the SW reviews on shape of water page.

Everyone who jumped on the "it's failing and RT scores are legit" bandwagon need to see this and take a chill pill. Of course they won't. I expect them to double down. Or call it Disney bribing.

 

Not sure when you signed up here, but after TFA came out about 90% of the members here loved it and we talked about for 2 years. There were about 4-5 people who hated it but they eventually went away. Now many of those members who gushed about TFA here in 2015 hate this movie, so I don't think it has anything to do with one side being more vocal. I just think the fanbase is split.

 

Yup. The double down.

CHILDREN ARE STILL IN SCHOOL. THEY ARE MAIN AUDIENCE. STOP GOING BY A DAY BY DAY BASIS WHEN IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK TOO. TFA WAS IN ITS FIRST WEEK TO, JUST BEFORE XMAS.

IVE SAID ABOVE WHY YOU ARE WRONG.

Seriously, your peddling is annoying.

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TFA is way more unpopular on other places I've been. Point is, don't take a cash by case basis.

 

I never said that, I was just making a point that the some people who loved TFA here in 2015 don't like TLJ, so this isn't some conspiracy by people to make it bigger then it is on the internet. I understand you have to take the internet with a grain of salt, but this iis a very good SW site and good fandom here as most people are pretty fair about the movies. It is genuinely split right down the middle there so there is a backlash going on against the other half of the fans who loved it.

 

@Withred is right, a lot of kids are still at school. TFA was released later than TLJ. If anything, kids will love this movie a whole lot more. And those angry folk who hated it and said they'll never watch it again will doubtless secretly go again in a week or two once they have stopped crying about Rey No One.

 

That's why I'm here I love this forum so far.

Yes there is a backlash, I'm just taking issue with "it's out one week and failing (too early to tell and I've said reasons above why less money than TFA so far), it must be because OT fans and I are boycotting it. Yay me, and negativity".

Also people trying to use rt audience score as proof. We have an admitted botter. If we didn't, I wouldn't be countering this point.