SPECULATION What really happened during the Cloud City Duel?

Unfortunately the sound card on my work computer is not working so I was unable to hear that....

 

Look!...*sigh*.....it's Lobot who finds the lightsaber......I keep....ugh.......Move along!.....Move......

 

Good idea. Don't know why I didn't think of that.

 

My money is on Vader picking up the blue lightsaber from the bowls of Cloud City. He possibly stored it in some secret personal vault or stash or panic room (*joke*) somewhere, planing to put it to whatever use it was intended once the Empire had taken care of those pesky Rebels - first things first. Then Vader gos and redeem himself only to die, and the location of the blue lightsaber is lost. Enter Kylo Ren and his buddies, who quest for the saber for [insert reasons].

That's what I think

 

They discuss it in one of the first Resistance broadcasts about

Spoiler

the flashback scene going all the way back to the fight on Cloud City.

It seems we might find out during that sequence what happens to Luke's saber

 

That's true. And that actually has me pretty excited for TFA, but the thing is the implication Return Of The Jedi gave - especially with the special edition edits with fireworks ALL OVER the galaxy, people on every planet celebrating and toppling statues of the Empire - it seemed pretty clear that the Empire in its entirety had been beaten FOR SURE this time. Sure, there's plenty of room to finagle a way for a loophole where the bad guys are still out there......but c'mon.... we all know the intent was to show that the Empire was NO MORE.

Yes, Empire Strikes Back does have the rebels pursued by the Empire, but to be fair they had already given themselves an "out" with A New Hope by not killing Darth Vader and having him fly off into space. The next film also didn't feature the use of a super weapon and hinted at a larger world. Return Of The Jedi was like all of the cards on the table: we got to learn just who Darth Vader was, met the ultimate evil, and pretty much everybody everywhere was pretty involved, not just small one man fighters, but every ship large and small of the rebels. Even watching Return Of The Jedi as a kid I always assumed that was it for the Empire, BUT I was always open for an episode 7, I just always assumed that whatever Episode 7 was it would be on a more personal, smaller level vs a huge galactic level, i.e., something with Han & Leia's and/or Luke's kids and them becoming Jedi or sith instead of a huge galactic scale conflict again. Truth is it probably could have all taken place on one or two planets if it had to. And we may very well be getting some of that, I'm hoping we do, but that's just my two cents on all that.

 

Only one person could know the exact location of Luke's hand and lightsaber.
Only one person could retrieve the lightsaber and become the most powerful force that has ever lived.
Only one person can rise above both sides of the Force and bring peace to the galaxy.

The man who was lurking in the shadows...waiting for THIS moment.....
LOBOT AWAKENS.

 

I can see them doing a follow the Mcguffin kind of sequence starting with who first found it, and where it ended up 30 years later. This could be either really cool if executed probably, or gimmicky.

 

who owns cloud city ?

 

I'll beat the lobot'ians to it. The answer, like for everything else, is "Lobot!"

 

Sorry, bro. The implication in Return Of The Jedi was clear and accepted by movie fans for years: the Empire had been defeated and it was all over, the end. I never put any stock in whatever the books did because I (rightly) assumed that if a sequel to ROTJ would ever be made that they would likely discard whatever a book author had written because George & CO would no doubt want to write their own ideas. Lucas even said for years that Star Wars was complete and over with episode 6.....yes, he has flip flopped back and forth on this, but the ending to Return Of The Jedi was pretty complete in and of itself. The story of Star Wars had been told. Which is why it was easier to do prequels than sequels for the first additional Star Wars films trilogy.


But hey....if Lucas or someone decided they have more stories to tell after ROTJ, awesome. Still, doesn't change what the intention and implications of ROTJ were initially and still are as a film. If something else happened after ROTJ, it's not because it's hinted at in ROTJ and that we missed it, but because Abrams & CO added it afterwards....enter The Force Awakens.

 

There were stories about the Empire after ROTJ, were there not? Isn't that what the Timothy Zahn novels were about?

Luke's story was complete, his father had been redeemed and his enemy destroyed. That was what mattered the most in ROTJ. The end of the battle of Endor was just secondary (yay, we saved the Ewoks...). Star Wars needed a definitive ending yes, but I don't think it's entirely far-fetched to assume that just because the main characters arc was complete, the Empire would just pack up and go away forever.

 

The world is changed. I feel it in the forums. I feel it in the speculation. I smell it in the halls. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it. It began with the speculation of the Third Order. First imagined by Bluestreaking wisest and fairest of all beings. Soon the Knights of Ren was announced by JJ, found in the annals of Entertainment Weekly. And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who, above all else, wait wrong franchise....

Anyway my whole point is I completely agree haha

 

I agree to a point. Lucas always said there were 3 more movies after to be made. So the old EU or not eventually whatever George had planned would happen.

 

The whole rest of the known universe was completely devoid of any and all Imperial forces and command structure because they were all at the Battle of Endor?

I am not going to give out bad ratings to anybody but I strongly disagree that the general consensus ever thought that everything/everyone connected to The Empire was nonexistent after the events of ROTJ.