SPECULATION What really happened during the Cloud City Duel?

Lol, does anyone ever read what I write? I'm AWARE that there were Star Wars novelizations and comics after the movies, I'm also aware that Lucas flip flopped for years about the number of films he had planned and whether Star Wars was originally intended to just be 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 episodes. I know all of that. All I'm saying that it is implied with Return Of The Jedi, as a film, that the bad guys were beaten, good was victorious all over, and that the Empire was over.

Sure, you could probably argue that there were still skirmishes going on in different parts of the galaxy somewhere if the filmmakers wanted to milk it - and they do - but Return Of The Jedi put a pretty fine point on everything. Whether we think that other things could have happened or were going on that we did not see in the film is irrelevant to the fact that Return Of The Jedi pretty much said it was over. Hopefully The Force Awakens builds on this in a way that doesn't feel forced (pardon the pun) and flows naturally from what was established in the original films, and can convince me and audiences that this isn't being done for just a cash grab.

Haha all of the Robot Chicken Star Wars skits are great. XD

 

im speaking from my point of view of course but ... i thought george lucas made it very clear that there were only a very limited amount of extremely powerful force users who could force their will on ther ppl like force choking someone to death if they question an ounce of a sith lord's judgment ? sidious could probably do worse to insubordinate generals like making them explode in a microsecond with a blow of force electrocution... Return Of The Jedi put a pretty fine point on everything indeed because finally the overt menace was over and the "slaves" of the empire were finally free

 

Bespin is smoke giant like jupiter, no solid surface

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AMEN to that brother!

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Once again - your words are mine. I was actually surprised that 30 years after Jedi it is still Empire/stormtroopers against rebels, I mean, now we have to call them 1. Order/stormtroopers against Resistance....I was thinking it will be Republic against a new threath or maybe some minor fractions or planet inside the Republic in a local conflict.....

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They could always repair it with a new edition where they go back to the original yub dub ending - it was only a local victory, thus only a local celebration - and in the rest of the galaxy nothing changes...

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And "always" means the first half of the 80., because afterwards he "always" denied it - to be correct, not always, many times. Until few years ago he "always" stated that there is nothing more to be told hahaha

 

Could Vader have used the Force to pull the lightsaber up out of the planet and back to him on Cloud City?

 

Right.... (it's gas giant btw, not smoke giant)... but at some point the gasses are so dense that the lightsaber will simply stop falling towards the core.

 

Vader may have recognised it as his own, gone for a look etc.

Another potential link is the Anoat sector/First Order links (Star Wars: Uprising - First Order symbol appearing on tents on Hoth). Bespin is in the Anoat sector, if there are ties to the First Order there is at least geographic potential for storytelling SOMEWHERE in there.

NB I'm only halfway convinced it will be an important plot device.

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Star Wars isn't always on the science side of Sci-Fi, I would put it more in the fantasy camp of Sci-Fi. BUT the density of the gas giant would cause any Earth made metallic device to collapse/crumble/disintegrate. Then again, the Star Wars universe has it's own alloys and metals.

 

Exactly. I mean, it's very feasable that the lightsaber was actually later found by ugnaughts and kept changing hands over the years.

 

The lightsaber probably never leaves Cloud City (Fell down the shaft and was found and resold by his collector).

 

Most of us assume the lightsaber fell towards the surface (or lack of) of Bespin. Maybe the lightsaber had a similar fate to Luke and was sucked up by a port hole. It could have ended up in a garbage pile under cloud city for all we know.

 

All too easy

 

Yes indeed.

 

It seems like the lightsaber being recovered then sold is the likeliest story...I think Aftermath sets up this idea nicely in canon (albeit with a different lightsaber/circumstances).

What I'm wondering is whether we will see what happens in a flashback in the movie (as folks have speculated) or it will be explained in canon outside the films (maybe both?) -
I find it a little suspect that the only two OT figures in TFA Wave 1 were Bespin Luke and Vader- not that it means they are in the movie

 

What you say is true my friend but we must also consider that not every planetary sistem saw the Empire as an evil force. Tyrants alone can not rule an empire so they need others the share their ideals to a point that these people will be willing to help that tyrant and follow him. To this day there are still Germans who think that Hitler's judgement was sound for doing what he did and this comes from the fact that while Jews were practically experiencing a living hell, most germans were going along with their lives quite nicley to a point of seeing Hitlers army (the Empire) as actual good guys who were doing what they did for the betterment of their country. Tell me, who in their right mind thinks of Hitler and sees this:

Now can you imagine it being Vader or Palpatine in this pic? Who in their right mind would enlist in Hitlers army if he was an evil guy who destroyed everything and everyone who stood in his way? Same can be said with the Empire. I bet there were whole sistems who were loyal to the Empire because while other worlds suffered, their world benefited greatly by Palpatine's rule. The bad guys constantly needed new ships and tech to keep on going and this gave many people in the galaxy stable jobs and a chance at a good life. Ruining one world was always going to be a benefit to another and that's why tyrants always have supporters and most times to a degree of fanatism. There are always going to be greedy people/aliens who can care less about the suffering of one species as long as theirs is just fine. Though it's no longer canon, the Trandoshans weren't oppresed by the Empire and their relationship was so good that the lizards even helped the Empire to hunt down and enslave the Wookies. I'm sure that while the Rebels fought in the battle of Endor, there were countless planets giving their support to the Empire to a point that they wouldn't even allow those ''Rebel Scums'' near their sistems. Plus we can't forget that the Empire was WAY bigger and more wide spread than the Rebels and we can't asume that each and every last Imperial fleet was present during the battle of Endor since old man Palps thought he held all the aces up his sleeve and tended to be cocky and overconfident as once Luke himself told him.

 

Bespin is a gas giant so if it left that big shaft that Luke fell down and fell from Cloud City (which I think we actually saw happen in ESB) it would fall into a giant pressurized ball of gas and never been recovered.

 

In the old EU Vader recovered the Saber and the Hand.
But as far as how it ends up in BB8 or on Jakku or whatever...I don't really want to know. With Star Wars, the less you know, the better.

 

I read many answeres talking about how Luke's saber might have been recovered but I have to ask, wasn't the lightsaber just dumped in the same way that Luke was? If Vader was trying to capture Luke them I'm pretty sure the sistem that opened the panel and tossed Luke out must be computerized and automatic and just dumps any refuse that falls down there cause it would make no sense to try to capture Luke one moment only to have him tossed to his death the next and if the sistem weren't automatic then shouldn't the same maintenance crew who picked up the hand and the saber have gone to pick up Luke as well? I have always thought that way down below Bespin there must be a planet to drop refuse or something and that all trash from Cloud City ended there. Jakku maybe? The reason I have always though of this because when Luke was tossed down the shaft, there was nothing there with him when he reached the bottom but once the sistem ejects him you can clearly see a piece of trash or something being tossed down as well. Take a look at the very end of the scene:

 

I'll bet Artoo knows. That little punk always knows everything and doesn't ever let anything leak.

 

R2 is JJ. Confirmed.