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Where are the plot holes?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. appfanincaaland

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    That you think it was a dumb setup doesn't make a plot hole.

    You misspelled weren't. They weren't tracking Finn and Ross's shuttle or the Falcon, not couldn't track them, so those two ships jumping to hyperspace before they could notice is logical within the rules of the story.
     
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    I have no idea.
     
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    But it still makes it a dumb setup.
     
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    Ok so they could but they weren't? They only were tracking the ships that justify the chase plot? Everyone else could just come and go as they wished without being noticed? Then what was the point of them chasing the resistance cruiser if anyone could have just escaped in untracked ships? I thought that was the whole argument for using the sub light escape pods to reach the planet, that any ship that attempted to go to hyperspace would be tracked to their destination.
     
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    If you want to debate why you don't like the film there's a thread for that. This thread is for discussing plot holes. It's not for discussing what people think is stupid.
     
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    Have you seen The Last Jedi, or just read fanboy flaming on the internet? Or are you just being intentionally obtuse?

    The film is quite clear. They were tracking the lead ships. And because Finn and Rose were able to do what they did, obviously a small craft could leave the larger ship and immediately jump to light speed, or in the case of the Falcon come out of lightspeed and jump back within seconds, before whatever tracking tech was applied.

    We have to also consider that perhaps Hux and crew were not concerned with small crafts of a few people at a time escaping. As for why the entire resistance could not do that, it's not that complicated. Doubtful they had enough small lightspeed capable ships for everyone.

    You dont need nit-pick every minor irrelevant point to justify why you didnt enjoy a story. Use a little common sense.

    I am being sincere here, not flippant, I really am sorry you were disappointed in something in which you have so much time and emotion invested that you feel the need to pick it apart piece by piece until its dead to make yourself feel better, rather than just enjoy a flawed but ultimately fun and well made movie.
     
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    One thing was brought up in the first few pages but no one has really understood the issue correctly. There is an assumption in the film, as exhibited by the destruction of the medical frigate and one other ship, that when the fuel runs out the rebel ships slow down and are thus able to be caught up to and destroyed. However, there is no friction in space so there is no reason for these ships to slow down unless they burn more fuel the other direction.

    On a similar note, Poe does a hot rod turn that would be impossible without friction.
     
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    The film never says they were only tracking the Resistance lead ships, it says the FO was tracking from the lead ship.
    I'm talking about the falcon at the end of the movie, not when it dropped Rey. They cornered them on the planet and never bothered to track escaping ships?
    Why wouldn't they be concerned with small craft? I would think they wouldn't want to let the leadership of the resistance escape.
    Yes they probably didn't have enough small lightspeed capable ships for everyone, buy they could definitely have made several trips, just like Chewie who dropped Rey then left and came back for her, they eventually fit all in the falcon if you remember...

    Yes I saw the movie thank you, if you are not interested in discussing what are you doing here?
     
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    If you're going to argue semantics like that, every bit of Star Wars goes out the window.
     
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    Wait a minute! I never thought of that!

    Now that you mention friction in space, it just occurred to me it's impossible to have flames during an explosion in space too, so all of the Star Wars movies suck! I've wasted 40 years on my life on this trash!
     
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    This still doesn't explain the ridiculous levels of tactical ineptitude on the part of the First Order when it came to assailing their primary target: the Raddus.
     
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    Yes that doesn't make sense I mentioned it before, the justification you are going to get is that this is fiction so anything is valid.
     
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    Aside from the Tantiv IV, when did the empire ever show aptitude in assailing their primary target? I guess they kind of did some damage on Hoth, but not against any primary targets.
     
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    "B-b-b-but in this other thing..."
     
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    The difference is that when Needa or Ozzel made mistakes they were completely understandable, you don't start to wonder how they could be so retarded.
    In this whole chase scene the incompetence from both sides is astonishing.
     
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    inb4 they entirely ignore your point and laser in on the fact that you said retarded
     
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    If you demand precise military efficiency and effectiveness from villianous leadership in fantasy films, you are taking things way to seriously.

    While it's purely semantics, I don't see how tactical ineptitude is a plot hole, however.
     
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    Tell me, how often do you see the villainous leadership in a clear position of advantage only to withdraw in the midst of a successful attack for no reason whatsoever? That's the problem with The Last Jedi.
     
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    But that is the answer. If you don't demand consistent physics in the other 8 SW films, why demand it here.
     
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    I want a remake with Vader in command of the FO fleet, let's see how many officers survive until the end of the movie.
     
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