Where are the plot holes?

I haven't read every post in this thread but i'd like to know if we have answers to these questions:

Why is there a map to Luke? its the plot of the whole first film. how can it work at all considering where the map is hidden without lukes involvemnt? but in TLJ he clearly outlines that he came to the hardest to find place in the galaxy so no one could find him and the jedi would die out....heres a tip mate, if you don't want to be found don't leave a map inside your droid.

and why does projection Luke use the Skwalker saber? I mean like, why in universe but also why as a design descision....it raises so many more questions than if he'd used the green saber. it ruined that scene for me because by that point in the film I just read it as poor continuity.

 

He didn't leave the map.

 

But thats what I want to know. is who did? why was it inside R2? if no-one, not even his closest friends (Han, Leia) knew where'd he'd gone, who made a map leading to him and for what reason?

 

Lor San Tekka was helping Luke find Jedi lore and also locate Ahch-To. He knew that this was where Luke likely went to after he left. So Tekka assumed that Luke found his way there and then went to find a map himself. He does so on Jakku. It was in fact stated in the opening crawl of TFA that Tekka found the map on Jakku and didn't get it from Luke. The route was just the best way to get there through the hyperspace lanes or something.

I didn't notice it. Nor did I notice that the dust interacted with Kylo's saber but not Luke's.

 

oh okay thats fine about the map, its just very poorly explained within the film and considering so much is made of it in TFA you'd expect it to have been dealt with in TLJ with at least a line of dialog or something. its sad I have to rely on off screen material to make sense of the film.

And I can't belive you didn't notice the saber was blue, and the same one that had just been destroyed in the throne room. I found it really jarring and I'm sure Ren would have noticed it...my main question about this though is Why? why make it that 'ghost saber' why not make him have the green one, I can't see the motivation for the choice in universe or out of it.

 

I thought the lightsaber was white in the fight with Kylo !!! I said so loudly in the cinema to everyone's annoyance. My son said it was blue. I reckon it was white.

 

It didn't really matter. Luke's hair was different and darker. It played out weirdly so that when the reveal came, it would all make sense.

 

That would make more sesne. still the handle was the skywalker saber, just seems and odd design choice. perhaps it was white, I think it was blue but against a light background but I can't remeber %100.

anyway, I'm not tryring to pick the film apart I just can't undestand the motivations for some of these decisions. the film isn't riddled with plot holes but it requres so much suspension of disbelif that I couldn't keep beliving in it after a point. especially around all the space stuff, just seems lazy to me, not nessisarily plot holes.

 

The other thing is that Kylo might not have known the saber broke apart. And he was too angry and focused on Luke to notice anyway.

 

One theory out there (which I really have no opinion on) sugests that Kylo took Luke's green saber, this would make the green saber's absence imperative.

 

oh okay yeah, do you think it was so the audience would feel that something was off with it?
becuase I also don't know why they had Lukes hair and beard different? like from Lukes point of view, maybe it makes sense from a vain angle. but I don't think he'd care about having short hair and stuff. that whole version of luke I never enjoyed at any part which is a shame as I loved grumpy island Luke. he was great.

Perhaps your right though perhaps all the odd things he did and the way he looked at the end was to let the audience know something was up.

 

The mistake you're making is that you're watching it with the eyes of an adult - not a child. That's why the OT got away with so much. You accepted it because you didn't question what you were seeing. TLJ is being critiqued by 40+ something men, who want an answer to everything. There isn't. Star Wars is and always has been silly and weird. Enjoy the ride I say!

 

Yup, I've thought about this too, most likely he does not know the saber broke, he lost consciousness when it did.

 

I think that is the answer. thats also what some of my 'non-starwars fan' friends said. and you are completely right. TESB features Han and Leia entering into the atmosphere of a giant space worm wearing nothing more than a little mask. and I'm sure there are a bunch more.

I just feel like a few tweaks would have removed a lot of my problems, like just a line of dialog here and there would have made the world feel more coheseve rather than a bunch of ideas thrown together. but I take your point.

 

Yes, I think RJ wanted the audience to realise something was out of place. It puts us in the position of the other characters (and Ren) looking on, unsure of what is happening. It's why we learned that Rey was a no one when she did (or rather when she accepted it). In this case, we're experiencing what Kylo Ren is - a state of conflict and confusion.

 

Interesting.
Do you think there could be a link between this and kylo's cracked saber crystal and the shard around lukes neck? I'd enjoy finding out that the green saber became Ren's saber.

 

Well, it's probably worth taking more note of our non-Star Wars friends. We obsessed folk have a tendency to analyse everything. And so we want answers to questions that really do not need answering (unless you want the film to drag along for 5 hrs).

 

There was talk/rumours that there would be a 'white' lightsaber in the film.

It would make sense given that Luke was projecting himself.

I did not realise at the time that he was projecting himself during the fight but I did think at the time the lightsaber looked white.

For me that would be a nice touch. I hope it was white. I quite fancy a FX black series white lightsaber.

 

Definitely. It would make a lot of sense. Could be that The Acolytes of the Beyond did get Vader's red saber after all. Perhaps the crystal was damaged? Ben took one half and Luke had the other.