Who are the Last Jedi?

actually, it doesn't.
Han just said an apprentice betrayed Luke and destroyed it all. that could just about mean anything.

• he killed them.
• he took them with him to the Dark side.
• he left the gate unlocked so that something evil could come and get them.
• he gave away their location to make them vulnerable.

we don't know what he did yet. not from any vetted canonical source.
regardless, Ben was still Jedi, which makes him next to the last, with Luke and whoever Luke's other students might be/have been.

maybe we get the story of the betrayal in TLJ ~ and that's what the title is referring to.

 

THIS. Everything depends on a certain point of view.
Yeah, it's most likely that Han referred to his own son but you never know. Maybe the events which led to Ben's turn are the real twist of the ST.

 

Of course he left it vague, but would you (if you were Han) admit your son did it to a couple of people you've only just met? It seems clear he is referring to his own son.

No, Ben was NOT a Jedi. He was a Padawan. He was an apprentice. That is what we know (from vetted canonical sources). He appears to not have been a full Jedi as the time of the destruction of Luke's academy.

 

probably. or, like @NinjaRen suggested, maybe that's where the twist in the ST is lurking.
either way, until we know for certain what happened, we can't just assume.

a Jedi apprentice is still a Jedi. Anakin was a Jedi ~ or do we not use that terminology anymore? : o p

 

Luke wasn't a Jedi until he sacrificed himself by refusing to kill Vader.

 

right, but my question is about Anakin. he was a Jedi even though he wasn't a "Master", right?

i get what you're saying with regard to the nuance about where Luke definitively declared himself, but i think there's ambiguity here.
particularly around Ben's actual training. we don't really know where Ben was in his training.
a Jedi apprentice is still a Jedi, it seems.
at what point did Anakin stop being Obi-Wan's apprentice?
Obi-Wan will always be Qui Gon's apprentice, etc. know what i mean?

 

Maybe the Force called to Acht To not only Rey but a bunch of Force sensitive people.

Luke has been called to the island at his time too so maybe there's a small community of remaining force users right there.

 

Well...Anakin stopped when he betrayed the Jedi basically. But I guess it's a fine line to what is and isn't considered when you're a Jedi or not. As for Kylo, maybe we'll learn that in VIII on how far along he was.

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True. Maybe they're on the Island or the other islands.

 

i agree. Anakin was considered a Jedi by Obi-Wan (he refers to him as such).
so it's entirely possible that Ben could have been considered such by Luke as well.
it's probably unlikely, but can't quite rule it out entirely just yet.

 

Supposedly, somebody has seen a leaked copy of the teaser, and apparently, at the end, or something like that.

I assume that the title refers to Luke and Rey. Luke tried to rebuild the Jedi and it backfired spectacularly. I think he's perfectly willing to let the Jedi fade from the galaxy when he and Rey die, but Rey is going to try to build something new to replace the Jedi as the major good-aligned Force-users in the galaxy.

 

The "leaked trailer" thing is most likely BS.

I really like the idea that Luke has trained other Jedi who are waiting for him to return. It seems odd that Luke spent 25 years attempting to rebuild the Jedi Order for it be completely wiped out five years ago. It's possible he's trained others who are in exile. This would make sense why Snoke would fear his return. It seems too early for Rey to be considered Jedi.

 

This supposed leak thing came from Mike Zeroh, so I have to roll my eyes at that.

 

That name means nothing to me, so I would appreciate some elaboration.

 

Let's just say he's not the most reliable source.

 

How old was Kylo Ren/Ben Solo when he destroyed the new Jedi order? I think he's supposed to be like 30 in the film, so was he 24ish? because he could have already been a Jedi if thats the case. Both Luke and Anakin were Jedi Knights around that age. Especially if he'd been training since he was a kid. Luke became a Jedi in like 3 years or something. Nothing points to the fact Kylo Ren wasn't a jedi before his fall. However I don't think he is a Jedi or a Sith currently. and I don't think snoke is a Sith either. Him and Ren are a new breed of Darkside users. So I'd vote that by the end of Ep 8 its Luke and Rey who will be on the road to being the last 2 jedi. but I don't think Rey will be fully fledged yet.

 

Mike Zerho is full of blast and in lives in cloud cuckoo-land, Viral has already outed him as a fraud.

 

I say Luke and Rey.

 

Very interesting idea! There are still no answers what happened to those babies Ahsoka and Ghost crew rescued from inquisitors, or I`m wrong? If they are alive and taught by Lady Tano will they be "no jedi"?

 

we know it from canon material that he is called Jedi killer, who killed Luke's students. Kylo is not innocent, he is the killer.

 

I think its going to end up just being Luke & Rey.

Two possibilities that would turn this on its head could be if there is
1. A group of Jedi in hiding that trained under Luke.
2. A separate group that have been hiding in secret since before the prequels as a different order.

We could get some grey or crimson knight esc jedi that would add another flavour to the force and expand the force user groups as we know them in cannon.