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Why did Luke have to die? Honest question

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Qui-GON29, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. RoyleRancor

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    My argument would be, not only should fan expectations or wants not be considered but that they should be among the last things considered when crafting a story for any property.
     
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    "I cannot interfere" was Obi-Wan's choice. Not some grand law that force ghosts cannot interfere.
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    What about showering?
     
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    Big Water wants you to think it's safe.
    Have you seen ingredients in soap?
     
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    Again, you’re making my point. Why aren’t they recruiting Force Ghost Yoda to save the Resistance? Why wouldn’t Luke tell his sister that Master Yoda can possibly save her and the rest of the Resistance because he has crazy Force powers after his death?

    This is the can of worms you open....
     
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    This can of worms has been open since 1977 when Lucas decided the deceased could communicate with the living.
     
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    Well its not like Poe can just contact Yoda and say "can I have help?" The ability to become a force ghost was first done by Qui-Gon who then taught Yoda, then taught Obi-Wan and presumably taught Luke. It's not like all force users have this ability to just exist in the afterlife. We really do not know what the capabilities are of force ghosts interacting with the living. This is something they can "abuse" to expand what force ghosts can and can't do. We know they can interact with real world objects, but that's about it.
     
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    I guess Lando will get dead too?
     
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    Luke had to die for the same reason he wasn't in Ep VII, he was stealing the show from the new characters.
     
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    The dead communicating with the living isn't a new concept, in the RW or fantasy, but to manifest and manipulate things is at another level and one would assume Yoda and Obi-wan would of stepped in and helped Luke (which I read someplace was GL original idea at one point). However, it didn't happen and so in a following film it stands out, much like freezing a blaster bolt in mid-flight and holding it for a period of time while distracted having a conversation.
     
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    That's not a new concept either.
    Ghosts interacting with the living world or whatever.

    In ESB Luke is inexplicably able to pull his lightsaber out of the ice. In ANH we see basic force tricks but this is on another level. Actually using telekinesis? That's a bit of a leap don't you think? Why didn't they just use it to guide the shot to the center of the death star?

    Why didn't Obi-Wan just use his force jump from TPM to escape Vader?

    Blah blah blah blah.
    New force powers bad!
    Except the ones I like!
     
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    Why didn't Obi Wan force run to get to Qui Got?
     
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    Because he knew this would happen

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    Hmmmm indeed
     
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    That gif is amazing!

    I'd also imagine he could be playing it safe so he doesn't run straight through one of those energy walls, too. That probably would be a bad time.
     
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    I think it had to be done in order for the new generation of protagonists to function properly and FWIW I think RJ executed it well. (Although there was a part of me that didn't want it to happen!)
    Being pedantic here but technically we see Force Ghost Kenobi because he is physically using the Force. :p
    Wait...what?
    Did we see the same film? The one where Luke;
    ☑ displayed an awesome and unprecedented level of new power,
    ☑ avoided inflicting any violence,
    ☑ saved his friends and the Resistance,
    ☑ made a heroic sacrifice (found an honorable death on his terms),
    ☑ denied his enemy the opportunity to kill him,
    ☑ and gave hope and inspiration to the downtrodden.

    The Luke is dead.
    (Long live the Luke!)
     
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    Honestly, I'm not sold on the fact that he's dead, because NOWHERE does it officially say that he "died". I'm more of the opinion that he used to Force to teleport away or escape again with no trail for him to be found, if you will, and until we KNOW that he's dead, I wont accept it...but if he is, I think that it happened too soon, and so be it.

    I won't like it, if he is...but i'll accept it.
     
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    I think that would cheapen the hell out of this line: “Luke is gone. I felt it, but it wasn't sadness or pain. It was peace and purpose.” But, hey, whatever happens happens :)
     
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    He performed arguably the hardest Force feat in history. He had stopped using the Force and then suddenly does something no one else has. It took every ounce of strength he has left in him.
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    He literally disappeared/died the same way Obi-Wan and Yoda did, but it doesn't count because no one has said it? Come on.

    Oh and Leia and Rey DO say it.
     
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    I think it's possible to enjoy these films without being a killjoy or a fanboy, providing people act like adults.

    It's not a question of being bad, more poorly executed, but that's just a matter of opinion. Some people like parts that others don't, that is life.

    There is a natural progression on the use of the force in the OT. The PT takes it to another level, though the use of force enhanced flips in combat is first used in RotJ. GL wanted to show the Jedi at their prime in the PT. The force-back in TFA was used well IMO, personally I felt Kylo holding the blaster shot a tad bit overkill, considering nothing like it is seen in previous material, including TCW that I recall, and it didn't add anything to the scene. I personally couldn't help but think why Vader didn't do it on Cloud City when Han fired upon him. The connection between Rey and Kylo in TLJ might not appeal to some, but it's part of the narrative.

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    We’ve seen Force pushes before. We’ve seen Force pulls before. This Force freeze, to me, looked like doing both at the same time. An inventive, yet logical, extension to the skillset.
    It demonstrated to the audience that he was skilled with the Force with a simple, but effective, gesture. That he maintained that bolt in midair for no discernable reason disclosed he likes to show off. Informing us more to his personality.
    Vader's approach to the Force was never particularly nuanced. Something’s coming at him, he stops it. No frills, just results. It establishes a difference in mindset. Vader has nothing to prove. Kylo does.
     
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