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Why didn’t Kylo Ren use Sith lightning?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SegNerd, Jun 28, 2020.

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    One of my big issues with Episode 9 was its use of Force Lightning. I always thought it was an ancient power only an elite Sith and master of the Dark Side could perform... and control. Which is why people like Kylo Ren, Ventress, Maul, etc. could not use it.

    But I guess Rey can shoot a lightning-beam because she "loses control"???

    "But she's a Palpatine"

    And I guess granddaddy clone Palpatine can shoot an even bigger lightning-beam???

    That's dumb. As Han Solo says, "That's not how the Force works."

    But I guess now it does. The precedence has been set. For everyone and their mom to have lightning-beam powers.
     
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    Maul once used red lightning
     
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    So bigger is better because you probably have more midiclorians? Judge Me by My Size Do You?
    Or is it midiclorians per cell, than it would be irrelevant how much limbs you lose (except that limb has an extraordinary high concentration of mediclorians).
    But I guess nobody knows how the force works and that is exactly how it works...
    Its like "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going."
     
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    ;) yes(?). Remember: Midichlorians are a microscopic life form that reside in all living cells, and we are symbiants with them, life forms living together for a mutual advantage. Without the midichlorians, life could not exist and people would have no knowledge of the force. They continually speak to us, telling us the Whill of the force. It takes the time and training.

    Your cells are what is tested when they test your bloodcount. For example, in our world, we test our blood for disease, abnormalities, what bloodtype that we are. In their world, that all is also tested, but the contents of that blood include these midichlorians. You can still live without the some blood, but your midichlorian count will always be diminished.

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    Vader didn't use it. Kylo's a Vader fanboy.

    Also might have something to do with a lineage of good guys vs Rey's lineage of bad guys something something.
     
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    I think this is the best reason given so far, and is now canon as far as I am concerned.
     
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    Ok, I have the answer. In a Star Wars The Rise of Kylo Ren #4, he uses lightning to kill this other guy also named Ren.

    Case Closed, probably what Jaxxon said.
     
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    ... and he didn't wore gloves, so my theory stills holds xD But this makes the movies feel even more inconsistent. Kylo never used lightning in the ST...
     
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    I agree to an extent. I am 100% on board with your idea of The Emperor and how he himself was a weapon. And its true. He was powerful, smart, strategic, and evil. But if fire or lasers came out of the Emperor’s eyes, that just wouldn’t feel like Star Wars. Then again, who am I to say that. I mean, what if Lucas did use fire or lasers as a Sith Power, well then that would have felt like SW. But fire seems odd and lasers seems robotic in a way. But, you make a valid point. Lucas created this world in his brain so if it made sense to himself, thats all that mattered.
     
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    To some viewers and critics in 1983, lightening coming out of his fingertips didn't feel much like Star Wars either. But now here we are!

    Which I appreciate is kind of what you're saying - lasers coming out of his eyes might have seen weird at the time, but if it had, then today we could be questioning why Kylo didn't fire some of that dark side energy from his eyeballs.

    It's kind of funny, but ever since ROTJ, there's been a version of "But that's not how the Force works!" thrown at the films by fans. Heck, make that TESB - "Wait.. Force users can levitate objects now?! That's not how the Force works!!" (or words to that effect :p ).
     
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    Hi @Apollus08 . I'm curious - what is it about my post that deserved a 'clouded' rating? I'm not expressing a personal negative opinion about anything as such - just pointing out and paraphrasing, in a round about way, what other people - including some film critics at the time - said about seemingly new Force powers. Why am *I* clouded for pointing that out?
     
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    My opinion was that your post lacked POV and relevance. It also appeared to imply laser vision would be totally acceptable by fans, just because lightning is...

    My other opinion is that if people were shooting lasers out of their eyes in the OT... Star Wars wouldn't be the franchise it is today. Because shooting lasers out of your eyes in the Star Wars franchise is dumb. Pray we never see it.

    @Too Bob Bit Finally, calling people out for marking your post as "cloudy" seems very sensitive. Is that normal on this site?
     
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    It would be if it happened in 1983. The same way force jumping and sprinting is accepted now but was greatly scoffed at in 1999.
    That's how these things work. The force has never had a hard definition of what it can or can't do. It's there to support the story and the characters.
     
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    Well, in all, lighting does seem to fit well in terms of a power used by the sith, like a perfect puzzle piece. Fire and lasers would seem odd, yes, but Lucas didn’t use those powers, he used lightning. And thats all there is to say. If he used fire or lasers, many fans maybe wouldn’t appeal to that, but it maybe could have felt more normal considering it would have been an introduction to the power itself. But, lightning just seems more realistic in my opinion but I wasn’t alive during the OT’s so as Sith Lighting carried on to when I was born and passed, I grew up with it being normal. It was probably odd for the original fans of SW, but it grew on them. Im not sure of this but I can only assume. All that matters is that there was no fire or lasers. It was lightning. There really is no “what if” unless you are talking baout future Star Wars. If Lucas thoight that fire or lasers made more sense to him, he would have used that, but lightning seemed to work so now we have that and Im not complaining. :)
     
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    I remember post TFA all the speculation on who Snoke was, and why didn't he or Kylo have Sith eyes, and then Hidalgo...and I think Abrams...made it very clear that they were 'not Sith'.

    Then we get TROS and Snoke's reveal as Palpatine....:confused:
     
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    Huh?
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    Dooku used Force Lightening.
     
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    "lightening"? On his teeth? His hair? ;) ****

    I was referring to the "reveal" that Snoke was Palpatine. And highlighting that Darth Tyranus didn't have no Sith eyes.

    So maybe it's the Sith eyes or it's the lightning. You can't have both. Unless you are the master like Sidious.

    That's actually a half decent thought. If the prequels had been thought out a bit better, Dooku could have gone from white haired and slightly beleaguered when introduced in the first movie, before leaving the order, and have reappeared more spry and with renewed colour in his appearance, as if the dark side had life prolonging qualities. But it's just an illusion, of course. Which Dooku discovers all too late.
     
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    Ugh.. this concept just annoys me - this idea again that "Sith" is somehow a thing separate from other dark side things. Only Sith get the yellow eyes? Why?

    It's just a name, a culture or a cult - a 'religious' order of sorts - that a bunch of beings decided to call themselves. Unless membership involves getting your eyeballs tattooed, it just doesn't make any sense for there to be any 'specialness' to choosing to be a Sith. So some future dark side users choose to call themselves something different - why should that make any difference to the effect it has on their eyes?
     
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    I just assumed it was an aesthetic choice in the design of the Emperor. Like fully possessed Regan in the Exorcist, her eyes look yellowish and diseased. Because she is diseased. She’s a host for evil and therefore rotten. I feel it’s the same with the Emperor. His evil has rotted him away. The look of his eyes are just a reflection of that.

    The look became associated with the villain like Obi-Wan’s costume from ANH got associated with the Jedi. So that’s just how they all look I guess. Why don’t all darksiders have those eyes? I feel like the real answer is because it’s all arbitrary, but I suppose we can argue it’s an indicator of just how deeply they’ve committed themselves to that darkness or whatever. Dooku never fully committed. Kylo never fully committed. And Snoke was just a puppet. Meh, that’s what I got :D
     
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