Why Episode 8 will be so much better than TFA

I hope you're not actually expecting or wishing for a perfect movie, Star Wars or otherwise.

 

Second movies of Star Wars trilogies to inspire hope or fill you with dread: Attack Of The Clones (PT), The Empire Strikes Back (OT).

 

I loved TFA, but yeah, I'm pretty sure 8 will be the best one of the new trilogy. The reason? Rian Johnson. If you saw the Ozymandias episode of Breaking Bad, you know the dude can direct, and make a really dark and dreadful tone. Hopefully the film will be just as dark as ESB, and have a heavy focus on the villains.

 

Rian Johnson has already had more time to write the script for VIII, than J.J. Abrams and Larry Kasdan had for TFA (18 months VS about 6 months)...
TFA has also provided a host of new designs that can be reused so that they don't have to redesign everything again.
It's too bad Disney hadn't given at least another full year for development on TFA/the sequel trilogy before moving straight into production.

 

It'll be so much better you say? You saw it in your crystall ball? Or did just tarot cards tell you so?

 

Will it be better? Most likely. But you're wrong about them taking hints from the fans. The script was already written before the premiere of TFA and the pre-production underway.

 

About that- What I loved about TFA is the fact that the action, and the reason for the action, was often not the most important aspect of the Storyline. For example The Rathars are a means to get the characters in motion, but in the end they mean little. What matters, however, is how the characters react and grow.

I hope Episode VIII continues this trend.

 

i Maclunkey hope he give's the Resistance atleast a chance against the First Order he cant go all ESB on us the Resistance doesn't even have a fleet yet atleast give them a fighting chance because if you wipe out the Resistance i will forever hate Rain Johnson

 

I believe that the Force has AWAKEN.I have a feeling that this NEW trilogy will be GOOD.

Let ask Lando.
Right Lando???


YEAH THIS WILL BE GOOD!!!....

 

Lando better be somewhere in this new trilogy.

 

As long as the next movie is original then I'm fine yet I have my concerns that just as TFA was a clone of ANH, they want to make this new movie a clone of TESB. I hear so much talk about this being a darker movie and that we will see Rey training with Luke, Kylo Ren capturing Poe and Finn just to lure Rey to him and then fighting her and defeating her and this just frightens me in thinking that just like TFA was very unoriginal and it was just ANH all over again, they are trying to make episode 8 be TESB all over again as well. Why do they have to do this? As much as I try to see it differently and as much as Disney denies it, this trilogy looks more and more like a reboot than a continuation of what we have already seen. What are we goimg to get in episode 9? Kylo brings Rey before Snoke as she fights to redeem him? Will Kylo throw Snoke down a shaft as well and die after telling Rey that she saved him?

 

I want to feel optimistic about Rian Johnson standing by his "weird" approach to make it stand by itself from TFA...

 

This man gets it

 

Where on earth did you hear that? I guarantee you 100% that won't happen. You're being unnecessarily pessimistic about this whole thing. Rian Johnson is very much about the future and newness of the franchise. He's said it himself. I guarantee you VIII will not be close to ESB whatsoever. J.J had a job, and that was to introduce new audiences to new characters in a familiar world, while rekindling old fans with their childhood. And J.J did his job well. Story was not the important part of TFA. The important part was setting up a solid foundation for some great stories later on. And what does Rian do best? Create smart, original stories. Disney knows exactly what they're doing.

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They had Rian rewrite the script just before they started shooting, after TFA came out. Probably to adjust it based on feedback from TFA.

 

With all due respect my friend, I have always concidered insulting the fact that people excuse JJ Abrams poor copy/paste of ANH by saying that it was to introduce new audiences to new characters in a familiar world, while rekindling old fans with their childhood. So we have to have a lame reboot to introduce new fans to the saga? That is just a lame excuse to cover up for JJ's poor handling of SW.

ROTJ came out in 1983 and it wasn't until 1999 that fans were given TPM. Sixteen years had passed since ROTJ and like it or hate it, TPM was a wonderous treat to many fans while it captured the attention of many new ones. The story was not a copy of any of the previous movies and it motivated new fans to see the OT as well. Even if they preferred the OT after having seen the PT, the prequels served their purpose in bringing the love of SW to a new generation.

Now, Revenge of the Sith came out in 2005 and The Force Awakens came out in 2015. That was only 10 years compared to the 16 years it took from ROTJ to TPM. Even more so we have to remember that TPM was re-released on 3D in 2012 giving new generations the chance to know SW so that would give TFA only a small gap of 3 years between it and TPM. Now you mean to tell me that in just three years the whole world had COMPLETELY forgotten SW to a point that they needed a rehash? When ROTJ ended we didn't have all the SW wonders that we have today. We didn't have internet, there weren't any new books. toys or novels coming out and in those 16 years we truly had an absence of SW but ever since TPM came out, SW has been non-stop with everything! Be it toys, books, comics, video games, fan fiction on the internet and tons of more things. Ever since TPM, no before that, ever since The Special Editions in 1997, SW has been non-stop and it has been EVERYWHERE so how can we justify JJ Abrams giving us a rehash by saying he wanted to capture new fans and rekindle with the old? That's just an excuse on his part to justify his lack of imagination and nothing more. JJ had the whole SW galaxy at his fingertips and all he gave us was the very same story we all knew with some decent special effects but nothing more.

If fans want to love TFA then that's fine with me. We can all choose what we love and don't love about SW and that's part of the fun. Heck, you can think that Salacious Crumb was even better than Han Solo and I can dig it as we all have our favorites but it's getting real old hearing people try to defend JJ's rehash by saying he wanted to give us a similar story to reach new fans and rekindle the old.

The last movie of the Mad Max franshise before Fury Road was Beyond Thunderdome and it was back in 1985. Look at all the time my friend! That's a woppin 30 years and Fury Road was critically acclaimed and it served to bring in new fans while awesomely rekindling with the old fans and it was in no way a rehash of Mad Max The Road Warrior.

 

Okay, I see the problem here. I don't think you understand that a very large majority of moviegoers disliked the prequels. This has been well documented, so I'm not sure how you think that everyone thought it was a "wondrous treat". That's fine if it's your personal opinion of the movies, but I'm saying that if you weren't a child when the prequels came out, there's a very good chance you disliked them. I hope you can see why.

You see, Mad Max took a movie that was "good" from 1985, and came out with a sequel that was very critically acclaimed, as you said.

George Lucas took a very well-liked and well-known trilogy of movies, and made prequels that were rated very poorly by critics, and disliked by the general audience. It appealed to kids, but I wouldn't say it rekindled anything. All of the people who were kids during the OT were adults by the time the PT came out, and since the PT had such a different aesthetic, and appealed to a completely different audience, most fans of the OT ended up being disappointed.

Disney/Lucasfilm are now trying to "undo" what George Lucas did to the franchise, and the safest way they can do that is by using nostalgia, practical effects, and story elements that Star Wars is known for. Sure, there are other ways to do that, but that means they'd risk losing money. And at the end of the day, they're a business. They hired J.J to do just that, and he did it.

J.J has plenty of imagination. He created Lost. He took plenty of risks with Star Trek that some fans didn't like. He does what he's hired to do. And in this case, he just did his job. He had 6 months to come up with a story. This alone should show that Lucasfilm didn't hire J.J to come up with an original plot.

Mad Max isn't trying to win back anyone. They don't have a fan base as big or as adamant as Star Wars does. They can take risks and get away with it.

George Lucas took many risks with the prequels, and the reaction was mostly negative. So it's very understandable for Disney to take a "no risk" approach to the first movie that comes out after the prequels. Now, they hired Rian Johnson and gave him 2 full years to come up with something original. They want him to take the risks that they were too scared to take with the first one. And he will do exactly that.

 

If Ep.8 will be good, maybe even great, is also due to Kasdan's and Abrams' work on TFA.

This, I think, is the fact hardcore fans will never admit: TFA was a very good prologue, as good as A New Hope was in 1977. It setted the tone, the conflicts and the basic storyline for Episodes 8 and 9. Rian Johnson only has to make a step forward, worring about nothing but to continue the story arc, just because everything we have to know about these characters has been told in TFA.

George Lucas didn't the same thing with The Phantom Menace. He created a nearly stand alone movie, and when he continued the story, he had to restart 10 years later, only because he didn't realize that a child has to grow up before becoming a Sith lord

 

understand your frustrations, but just based on set leaks and little plot tid-bits, it really seems like rian johnson is taking 8 in a very unique direction.. i'm really hoping it's a deep film that still has the grand scale that is star wars. i think 8 is going to blow 7 out of the water!