SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

It is my opinion ( am not sure but think it could be) they wanted to distinct from Lucas prequels and sequels, in a way to wrap it all and close .Anakin was Chosen one, he brought a balance, and now its another world. That's why Pablo and Guys with big heads disgust Plagueis, since it makes all connected, makes Lucas mythology still active and continuated in every way, and they wanted another way to make sandbox story open for future use.

Now if one decide this, how to continue story? No Sith. But someone, the enemy, must be enough strong to challenge previous films and justify new trilogy, and it can't be Sith and Jedi battle,beause they want to distinct from Lucas.

Empire remnants, a handful of fanatic followers strike back...yeah, not a force to challenge New Galactic republic , they needed also a leader,mastermind, main villain.

Now that villain certainly can not be some former Palpatine's disciple, secretary or librarian who become powerful in a Dark side in his late years, it must be being--from abroad. Still,again Galactic Republic is to strong even for that to be a deadly enemy.

And than, if being is from abroad, someone remembered Yuuzhan Vong (just as idea, names and a race appearance of course adapted)..and there it goes.
For instance that invading race had Supreme Overlord Scmirra, and we have now Supreme Leader Snoke.

I mean that could be possibility. Snoke is entirely benevolent about First Order losses, he seems to have many more resources on his disposal.

 

Personally, if he's not Plagueis, I'd prefer him to be someone that became a villain after the events of RotJ. If they can establish some kind of link to the Skywalker's there on in, then I guess that'd be acceptable. But the worst idea for me is this ancient dark sider that has been in the UR for some reason whilst events transpired over a thousand years or so.

But I really can't understand why they wouldn't just use Plagueis.

 

Thank you. I asked you that question because I knew what is told in the Aftermath serie.
And in the A.S. Sidius seems interested in the UR, so much so he plans to ship the Empire remnants there.
If he is aware of a treat, or if he consider whatever in UR is a treat then he must be worried or scared.
Unless, he considers what Thrawn considers a traet, an opportunity...
And Thrawn someone usefull because he knows more than anyone else around Sidius about the UR.

 

Its very complicated for us to reconstruct what is all the story about in this momment. Only guess.
Palpatine liked challenges, but also he was clever, he wanted to secure his Empire .He had desire for even greater power, feeling this power could came from Unknown space and even intergalactic Space, but he was aware he could find oponent in this quest to.

Palpatine prepared Jakku to be destroyed in a massive explosion as a pathway to unknown Regions. It was his Contingency plan. But could this be also a plan to "close the dors" or even trap some other enemy?

There is a hardcore fan theory that even claims this, Palpatine built Death Star ,and in fact he bult 2 Death stars parallel(construction of the second Death Star from ep. VI started after the First one was not even finished) for another purpose, to be able to hit massive Starships that "Choosen race"from another galaxy possess, ships as much as 300 kilometes long.

 

It's strange how one movie can be "just a silly reboot" but also threaten to expand the movie lore into places that can be uncomfortable for some....

 

I'm going to laugh when Kylo kills Snoke in the first act of the movie and takes over as leader of the First Order! The icing would be he kills Snoke in his sleep!

 

That's simple. They figured the spectre of Vader's legacy and they failure of the restart of the Rebublic and the Jedi were the most connected villain and high enough stakes.

Snoke is a part of Kylo's rise to power and will fade as Kylo steps beyond him.

 

That'd be fun, mostly unexpected and give Kylo more power.

I like it.

 

Yeah I think Kylo Ren is the focal point of the entire previous Skywalker Saga. its one of the reasons I don't think Rey being a Skywalker would add too much to that, or Snoke being linked to it either.

Kylo Ren is the ambition of Vader and the emperor whilst also being the failure of Luke, the Jedi, Han & Leia. He's got a tie to every single previous OT and PT hero

He's Anakin & Padme's grandchild.
He's Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi's namesake
He's Vader's legacy
He's Lukes apprentice
and Han & Leia's son.

So Snoke won't be able to be more linked to the saga than Kylo Ren already is, so he'll always be just a foot note comparably, I mean even if snoke was Plauguis Kylo Ren would still be the focal point of the failure of the heroes and the hope of the villains. I also think making Snoke Plaugiues would had confused audiences as to who the main villain of TFA was, it was Kylo Ren, Snoke's just a hologram, just a voice in his head.

Calling Snoke 'Plaugius' and having all that baggage attached would have lessened the importance of Kylo Ren as the main antagonist.

 

Exactly. That's why I believe Kylo will take a different path than Vader. His lack of confidence and competition with Hux prove he's insecure. Then he kills Han but will probably be ridiculed for his failure with Rey. He cannot win. I think he'll be more unstable and convince himself his only path is to kill his master or be haunted by Han's words "when he get's what he wants he'll crush you, you know it's true".

 

I feel like I say this in every thread about characters at some point, but every decision has to be for the benefit of characters in a movie like this. Snoke being DP is not in the best interest of Snoke or Kylo Ren. You basically weaken 2 characters. That makes it a fairly bad decision from a story perspective.

Plus it would be the lamest reveal ever. You'd expect something massive and shocking but 2/3 of the audience would be clueless.

I have nothing against it if they go that route because I know the backstory of DP, so for me it'd work.

The focus should be on Kylo and making him as strong and as evil as possible.

 

The funny thing - at least for me - is that Master Shaitan and I, do agree on a lot of things but usually we come to different conclusions. That's not execption.

That's the point for me too. This is a saga. And if this is a saga, you cannot
start (PT) with the Chosen One's advent;
Put in the middle (OT) the fulfillment of his mission
and then add a chapter (ST) without him (the special one) but just about his offspring kicking the ass of a new villain (Snoke).

That would be an anticlimax.
If there's not connection between Snoke and what we've benn told so far, these are not the final chapters but just an appendix.
These are not (or won't be) EP. 7, 8 and 9 but a new SW's story post the Saga.

But.. that's why I believe Snoke = the Dark Force calling Sidius from the UR (and as stated from the Aftermath serie
"the source of a Dark Power" = the Dark Side itself) who's plan was to gain Sidius's help to invade the galaxy and a galaxy without the Jedi.
Sidius had half the job done, but then he had to "prepare the way".
When the way was ready, Sidus died and things didn't go as planned (becasue we know they didn't)
And he died by the hand of the Chosen One.
Making that moment - and the middle chapter (OT) - the pivotal moment.

In fact: had Sidius died before, Snoke would have choose someone else for the job.
Had Anankin not turned (and had he not had a son) he woudn't have been in the position to do what he did, in the "crucial" moment (strategically speaking).
So much so, Snoke is furious with Vader and Luke: Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion at the crucial moment
— had the father killed the son — the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker’s return today.

But above all, if so, all Anakin Skywalker's life was a "sacrifice" to the Will of the Force, whether he was aware of it or not.

What's left, 30 years later is:
Snoke (the embodiment of the Dark Side, the "source" of it) + Kylo (the chosen one's grandchild)
vs
Rey (the embodiment of the Light Side, the "source" of it) + Luke (the chosen one's son)

Things are set for the ultimate fight: you've got the super villain and the super heroin (the Dark and the Light finally on stage)
but them both need the Skywalkers to gain victory. And that would not be an anticlamax.
And it would not diminsh the Skywalker or Anakin's role in this saga.

But of course, this is all speculation or just an opinion.
I don't think we have enough to be sure of how things are going to be played out.

And I woudn't look for clues in the old canon.
I believe Snoke is a new character, but developed (as a lot of other things in the ST) putting together a lot of the stories told in legends:
- that of Plagueis,
- that of the Yuuzhan Vong,
- stuff from the Kinghts of the Old Republic
- Dark Empire (I read that comic... and I believe some themes are taken from there too)
I'm sure there might be others...

 

Rey as the embodiment of the "light side"? You mean "good" . . . right? And why on earth would one individual be regarded as the "embodiment" of one form of morality? That sounds so ridiculous and infantile to me. And it would make Rey seem even more one-dimensional than she was in "The Force Awakens".


Snoke is an important character, because it is obvious that he is the main villain of the Sequel Trilogy. I can see no other reason why he would not be an important character.

Why can't Plagueis remain dead at the hands of Palpatine? Or if certain fans truly want him to be featured in a STAR WARS movie, petition Disney and Lucasfilm to do an Anthology film about him.

 

This assumes Snoke is the principal antagonist not Kylo, who is also strongly connected to Anakin.

 

Just from a movie making standpoint, unless they get Snoke so real looking that I suspend disbelief he's a muppet or CGI, I'd rather have the emotion and sincerity of the main bad guy be an actual actor. Hopefully we get to see some really complex acting since Driver doesn't wear the helmet as much in this film. Unless Rian Johnson worked a miracle on Snoke, I'm hoping he's not the principal villain when we get to Ep. 9.

 

I think the point to DP having survived Palpatine killing him would be to show that indeed the Force might have been able to bring Pademe back to life for Anakin. It would make the Dark Side even harder to resist knowing you could learn to be immortal and keep your loved ones alive.

 

That could be.

 

Is he ?

I mean sure, at first glance, we can see some "echoes of Plapatine" in him (similar role, similar introduction), so we automatically assume he is very powerful. But if we look closer at his scenes in TFA, then the comparaison doesn't hold up anymore. In fact, many elements suggests he is much weaker than his "predecessor", since he is :

_ sh*tting his pants at the mention of Luke

_ laxist on discipline : the Emperor accepted nohting less than total devotion, forcing even Vader to kneel before him ... Kylo & Hux's stances in front of Snoke seems almost casual in comparaison.

_ merciful : Kylo has been proven guilty of ignoring Snoke's orders (destroying BB-8), and completely screwing up (failing to get the map from Rey). Yet, Snoke did nothing to punish that. Not even some scolding or a slap on the wrist. Nothing ! When is the last time you saw an evil overlord that nice with his underlings ?

_ pushed around by his subordinates : as we see Hux pushing him into using SKB.

_ apparently relunctant to blow up the Hosnian system : the script states he "seems to die for a moment" just before Greenlighting SKB's attack.
(in the movie, his reaction is more subtle, but he is still all but thrilled at this moment)

_ and of course physically crippled

Not exactly how i would portray a supposed "supreme evil overlord". So i wouldn't be surprised if Snoke turned out to be a "throwaway villain", a mere distraction to hide the real threat (or give that threat enough time to mature).
"There is always a bigger fish"

 

You know what sounds... funny to me?
SW is something made for children. For 12 years old children, in the words of the man (GL) who created it.

Perhaps that's why when I want to deepen the complexity of some psychological and moral themes I don't watch SW but I read (again) Dostoevskij.
If you haven't done it yet and if you really want to know what kind of (adult) literature ispired Lucas try The Brothers Karamazov or my favorite: Demons.
You will find out how much Lucas took from there to turn it into a space soap opera for children, that adults love.