SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

I do agree that Supreme Leader Snoke will no doubt be important. Given how much focus(contextless focus) on him in TFA, I'd be both shocked and aggravated if we didn't get more. Now, I know there are plenty of people who want Snoke to be Darth Plaugeis. And if I am honest; I would support that. Plaugeis is my favorite Sih Lord out of all the Legends Sith lords. James Luceno's book really made such a fascinating character in my eyes. Someone who was calculating and drifted away from the warrior style mentality of the Sith. For good reasons, obviously. But seeing him as Hugo Damask and how he influenced the PT(seriously, Plaugeis makes the PT so much better. A shame that Luceno didn't help write those movies!).

Now, do I think Snoke is Plaugeis? No, sadly. Much as I want to, I don't think LucasFIlm would want make a connection. Even if it is a PT era which while they are getting better at acknowledging them, they are treating those movies as the black sheep of the family. I digress. Something tells me that Snoke will be connected with the First Jedi in some way.

I know I am going to sound like a broken record, but TLJ honestly is giving off a Legend of Korra Second season vibe. This being where the story itself is going to explore the lore and mythos of the Jedi, much like Korra did for the Avatar, and manage to tie that together with not just the movie, but the trilogy. And Snoke could very easily be that link. Especially, if he is some ancient evil. Or, LucasFilm could not? Who knows? Maybe, it is Snoke.

Overall, unless Abrams and Kennedy force RJ to cram more into the mystery box, Snoke I expect is going to be really cool going forward and unlike anything we have seen. I only wished that he had a different name. But that is another discussion.

 

I said he could share similarities with villains from highly successful Fantasy sagas and listed how he could follow the same formula. That's all. I didn't say they are the most successful villains.

Snoke realises Kylo's connection to Vader. But how did he know Kylo would be born powerful with the Force? How did he know he was Vader's grandson?

Kylo is following the same path. He wants to complete and fulfill his grandfather's destiny and destroy the Jedi. Where do you think he got all the information on Vader from?

Why do you think Kylo wanted to join Snoke in the first place? Personally, I think Snoke promised to Kylo that he would make him become as strong as his grandfather through his dark side teachings. Snoke mentions Vader multiple times to Kylo in the novel. He mentions the Vader bond and his grandfather's "exemplary" life. Plus, Kylo has Vader's mask. Do you not think it's possible Snoke gave him that mask to motivate him to the Dark side?

It's more that Kylo doesn't view Snoke as a Master, but more as as a teacher or wise guidance. He doesn't kneel to him. Snoke calls him "Master". The relationship is different from that of Sidious-Vader. Plus, as leader of the Knights of Ren, Kylo has a greater sense of personal responsibility and values to uphold than Vader had. The Knights have most likely sworn an allegiance or oath to him and Kylo likewise.

Loyalty. Honour. Humility. Integrity. Honesty. These are values of classic Knights, not those of classic Sith. If Snoke doesn't want a repeat of Vader's betrayal, then training Kylo using these values I think makes sense.

 

Sith Lords expect their apprentice to attemp to become more powerful and destroy their Master. It is the Sith way. Premonition or not DP knew one day Sideous would try.

 

I think there are two main benefits of making Snoke the ancient founder of the Sith:

1. It would set Snoke up as a very powerful villain, possibly even more powerful than Palpatine. Lucasfilm will likely want to make a move like this to increase the stakes of the sequel trilogy. Just like most people wouldn't want to see a Harry Potter 8 where the main villain is Wormtail, I think most people want the main baddie for the new trilogy to be a significant and unique threat.
2. It would provide a gateway for Rian Johnson to explore the origins of the force, Jedi, and Sith. With the seeming importance of the First Jedi Temple and possibly the Journal of the Whills in The Last Jedi, this appears to be the direction they're moving in.

 

Yes. I like Plagueis story, and one would be cool definitely, but increasing knowledge from new sources are drifiting the story in absolutely different dirrection.

New Thrawn novel in which I am interested in this moment, definitely points on a new story that there was a danger lurking in the Unknown Regions known even to Palpatine and Vader. Thrawn (who's species lives in unknown regions as we know) informs Palpatine about that danger and offers his service in the Imperial military to counter that treat(make preparations).

The stage is set I think for a major unknown treat from Unknown Regions, and even, even, a possible Extragalactic invasion of some unknown species.

However, all that leaves me with the feeling that remnants of the Empire, now the First Order are in fact hijacked by the Snoke, they are just his pawns in his much larger and even more sinister plan.

 

They can retcon him in anyway they like - the fact is he had no connection to the previous 6 films going forward. You can invent a backstory for anyone for future films but only Plagueis provides a connection to what we have witnessed in the Skywalker saga so far.

The idea that the new villain in chief will be explained in some obscure novel outside of the films is horrifying.

--- Double Post Merged, May 20, 2017, Original Post Date: May 20, 2017 ---

If he is the founder of the Sith then that would make him thousands of years old. Even by Star Wars standards that is a stretch. But to be honest I'm not sure of the relevance. He'd just be another Sith, be it the first or otherwise, with no real connection to the story and a contrived backstory.

 

Absolutely agree, Plagueis wouldl connect entire Saga.

But there is another one way to conect it, in fact to unite the galaxy, by a immensty strong extrenal treat.

However all the canon novels released by now, seems to point that Story Department chosed entirely different approach:

All what has transpired in the Galaxy before was not forgotten, but is finished, and a new treat rize, from Unknown regions.

Constantly and repeatedly ( books: Aftermath, Life Debt, Empires End, Tarkin novel, and now Thrawn novel) seem to point that the story is about an external sinister treat, even an invasion from unknown regions(or even other galaxy) ,

... and, (maybe that is the shocking truth?) from new Thrawn novel we find that Palpatine prepared Empire to defend the Galaxy from that treat and to defat it.?!

its 180 degree turn, but from my opinion now this story is slowly taking a stage..

 

Snoke is sinister Alien manipulator, in a rank of Dark Sidious , however Sidious wanted to rule the Galaxy, Snoke wants to destroy galactic civilization.

He is imposter, a parasite, a puppet master, he hijacked remnants of the Empire, takes them as pawns, and in fact a hostages, use them for Galactic civilization to bleed itself in between themselves, and than he plans to strike and kill them all.

Kylo has been hijacked by Snoke. He will wake up, Han's sacrifice saved his soul, and could save the Galaxy at the end, and we could see entire galactic civilization unite at the end to defeat the external treat.

Now, that kind of story, damn, it beats even Plagueis story for the first time I know.

 

But they are already doing that...

I should add, "perhaps" if Snoke = whoever was calling for Palpatine.

If so, he has a plan since the PT era.
You don't see this in the movies (PT and OT), but people like us know it, having read the novels.

The general audience will be told of that.
And it's not so hard: it's something you can do with 2 lines.

The same amount of lines you have in ep 3 about Plagueis.
In fact, I bet at least 50% of the general audience does not remember Sidius talking about him.

So, whatever the case will be, for the general audience it makes no difference, nor for us.

Then if Snoke = whoever was in the UR
you can write 10 novels to explore further his backstory.

If Snoke = whoever was in the UR = Plagueis
same: you can write 10 novels to explore further his backstory.

 

This is reasonable thinking and expectation.
I am talking about how I see the stage they are preparing for us despite our expectations.

If not untill now , the Thrawn novel (released few weeks ago) seals the fact there was (is) a major treat from the Unknown Regions.

We know from previous books that Palpatine felt some Dark source "its calling him" from Unknown regions, but now , from Thrawn, we also know another peace of the puzzle, that Palpatine was aware it could be a major treat to his Empire, at the hight of its might (which means treat to entire Galactic civilization) .

 

I think that at least for me the way they have talked about unknow regions. Pure chaos, black holes, and all sorts of dangers. That is very different than another galaxy. It creates a "Here be Dragons" feel to GFFA. It also creates a sense of wildness and danger to it and to those who go there. It also makes sense that a region so chaotic and disruptive would be a place potentially strong in tge DarkSide which is disruptive to harmony life and imbalances the Force.

 

That's all interesting - but for another trilogy about another story, imo. This feels like a very contrived idea to create a new threat for the Skywalker clan when Plagueis provided a very simple and clean means of doing that. I can't think of anything more eye roll inducing than learning that there has been a more dangerous bad guy watching events all along whilst he has been hiding out in the unknown regions.

 

That would be very old, but this quote from Empire's End suggests Snoke is related to the "origin of the force" and so is likely very, very old: “The Emperor was convinced that something waited for him out there – some origin of the Force, some dark presence formed of malevolent substance.” So, I think my theory that Snoke was the founder of the Sith fits very well with the available evidence.

 

You're assuming that's Snoke. I don't think it is. I think it's something else - something that Luke
might be searching for himself.

 

Maybe I was just thinking that whoever Snoke is that seems to be where he was when they formed the 1st Order.

 

Question: If I uderstand well, Thrawn informs Palpatine that there's this treat in UR. But - that's the question - is it made clear what the Emperor thinks about it?
We do know his answer or something else?

Thank you.

 

I will try in short .Novel Thrawn.

Thrawn informs Palpatine about treat in Unknown regions. Palpatine, self confident as always tells that he predicts such treat.
Than Thrawn says even if him Palpatine knows about possible treat , is he sure he would be able to make preparation to face that treat in time without information and battle experience offered by him (Thrawn)? Story implies that Thrawn's people (Chiss race) , which live in UR , are already facing this treat and are feeling endangered by it.

From that moment Palpatine"softens" and Thrawn is acceped as a valuable asset.

Further actions taken by the Empire to face that treat are not mentioned in detail anywhere, but from novel Aftermath we know Papatine ordered bulding many observatories and bases on the edge of UR, and send scouts, in Novel Aftermath it is mentioned many of those men never returned from UR. And we know Jakku was also one of those observatories (possibly most important).

Now let me be free to ad this to, observation, I made it in thread about new Thrawn book, but will repeat it here to.

------there is now decanonized story that shares striking resemblance with that treat from UR Thrawn mentions.

Yuuzhan Vong invasion happens around 3 decades ABY which is roughly the timeline of Sequel trilogy. It started few decades before by provocations and probing in the unknown regions. Invasions happened trough Vector Prime---it was a charted point that enabled evading strong natural energy field that protects outer edges of the galaxy. In the story about Jakku we are dealing with such vectors, ancient charts that enables navigation trough dangerous Unknown regions and wild space.

Now , Thrawn's race(Chiss) were amongst first galactic inhabitans that started to meet that invaders at first only occasionally, untill full invasion, Chiss called them "Far Outsiders".They called themselves "Choosen race". They came from another galaxy after their galaxy been destroyed millenia before.
This invasion ended as near genocyde of galactic civilization.

Is this the shocking truth of New trilogy? Imperial remnants, the First Order, are in fact a pown, captured and controlled by Snoke' who is supreme leader of "Choosen race" , and are used to destabilize and weaken rest of the galaxy, and than "Second Order" (second wave?) will strike ,those unknown aliens "Choosen race?

 

That would kinda suck. SW is about the wars, force and politics of the GFFA. Doing this would be making SW into Star Trek. ehh.