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With Solo bombing, will 9 be the finale to The Saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by ScumAndVillainy, May 28, 2018.

  1. ScumAndVillainy

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    Subject says it all.

    About the only thing we're guaranteed at this point is we'll get Episode 9 in December 2019. Will it be sold as being the 'conclusion' to The Saga as a hook to get General Audiences back in the theater?
     
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    no need...skywalker presence alone is the selling point and abrams is great at getting people excited
     
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    EPIX was always considered to be the finale of the saga, at least of the Skywalker saga.

    It will be hyped as the conclusion for sure. I can imagine the first teaser to feature scenes from previous movies to build up to the footage of IX.
     
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    Not sure what Solo's fate has to do with it.

    I think Disney won't jump to conclusions about the reasoning why Solo struggled at the box office, and that's probably the more prudent choice, as the reasons why are probably multi-faceted (that's not to say TLJ had no impact, but it's difficult to determine how much, if at all).

    I do think EPIX will be billed as the finale, but whether or not they continue with Rey, Poe, Finn and Rose beyond IX will probably depend on how well IX does financially and how well it's received by fans. This will after all be the first movie where they get next to no help from the OT, at least not in any significant way.

    My hope is that they don't make any more movies linked to this saga and make new movies and sagas far before or after this. I honestly don't even want reference to the OT or ST in any future sagas.
     
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    It has exhibited the fact that Star Wars Can bomb after TLJ did major damage to the brand, and allows them to lower the risk and initial investments. Any followup movies can be on an as-needed basis, rather than having to plan a new trilogy, along with the investment for 3 movies every time.

    The sad part being that Marvel is showing gloriously how to do 3 moves a year, and the major difference comes from the logistics and people at the helm of the IP. Marvel has people who love the product and have developed methods for managing and producing multiple track movies.

    Lucasfilm has Kathleen Kennedy.

    I really do think that both Kathleen and Rainy will get their wings clipped here shortly. Kathleen has a better chance of making it to the 9 release Nancy 'My Redemption is In the mail' Pelosi-style, but there is no reason now to move forward on Rainy's trilogy.

    Nah... they'll likely jump to excuses that have nothing to do with the real culprit (Rainy's Billion Dollar Boondoggle),

    Or you could simply talk to people. For 6 months I've been saying Rainy did major damage to the brand with that movie. I didn't have proof people would stay away. Now I have proof.. people stayed away.

    Ask around.. people felt burned by TLJ, now don't give a blast about Solo. Its not rocket science. These same people were pre-sold OW for SW movies before TLJ.
     
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    Except Carrie is dead, Rey is a Fraudwalker. Kylo chooses not 2 be a Skywalker which leaves us 2 minutes & 49 seconds of Ghost Luke.
     
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    exactly, force ghost cameo Luke part 2 won't help IX. Again one of my stupid predictions noone cares about since 2015. :p
     
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    I mostly agree that TLJ had some impact on Solo, but I prefer to be diplomatic about it since we don't have any clear iron clad, irrefutable data to confirm.
     
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    One other thing about jumping to excuses, you can really roger yourself but good jumping to those that aren't actually the problem.

    I've stated up front, I think Solo is probably a very decent film. It got an A- score on something or other, and I have heard nobody slagging off on it for content. Everything I have heard from people who Have watched it has been positive, never negative.. particularly not like TLJ. In a different multiverse, had TLJ not blast the bed, and instead resonated and satisfied like say Black Panther did earlier in the year, I'm fairly confident in saying people would have given Solo the benefit of the doubt.

    But we don't live in that world.

    We live in the world where it did blast the bed and then the Disney clean-up crew tried to pull a Benghazi-style coverup and convince everyone Everything Is Awesome, when it was anything but. That, above all else, is the biggest crime here in that that decision will continue to cascade into even more bad decisions, like not placing the proper blame on TLJ and instead blaming Solo, leading to choices about maybe not doing spin-off movies.

    The big thing to remember, is that when the car STARTS to fall apart, you diagnose whats wrong(Kennedy/Rainy), and fix it. You don't just keep driving while hearing weird noises and convincing yourself its OK, or you may just need another car in short order.
     
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    Can bloody well hope so!
     
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    I defiantly think the Marketing for Epiosde 9 if far more crucial then it was going into The Last Jedi. As their doesn't seem to be the same level as excitement for Star Wars as their was before that film.

    Whether Marketing as "the Last" in the Saga is the Way to go.... personally I don't think so. If they end the Saga in a way that it can't be resurrected, then it makes me worry that when Disney needs to regenerate intrest in the property in the future they will look to reboot, when If they have the possibility of Episode X, they may go that route.

    Think they just have to come up with a killer plot and an awesome trailer. Rather then promises of it been the last of anything.
     
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    Hey look, another SOLO box office thread. How original.
     
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    I always wished it would be. Regardless Solo, TLJ or TFA.
    You cannot milk the saga forever and have good stories.

    The best way to honor something, to make it trully special, is by giving it an end.
     
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    The momentum from TFA is gone and to recapture it will require an exciting climax to the trilogy that can be shown in ads well. I am not sure the theme is as important as action will be. Good battles and plenty of peril do well in marketing
     
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    Yeah I agree, The force awakens had the Nostaliga wave on it's side, The Last Jedi Had the cliff hanger from the force awakens and the promise of questions answered, not to mention Luke.

    Epiosde 9, while obviously still having the star wars brand, doesn't have as many advantages as the other two films so marketing is more important.
     
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    I mean, depends on what you mean.

    EPIX was billed as a sort of the finale of that trilogy, of course, so Solo would've never affected that to begin with.

    If you're asking if it will be the final Disney Star Wars movie? I seriously doubt it. Just because some whiny neckbeards are crusading against KK, Disney, and LFL, the series' potential has not been affected. I think they'll certainly reevaluate some things, but they'll still push forward.

    Luckily people didn't look at Captain America: The First Avenger (one of the MCU's lowest earning films so far) and thought that Steve Rogers wasn't a character fit to be a leading force in the MCU.

    Solo's performance could be down to so many issues- weekend release, TLJ backlash, poor marketing campaign... I won't even pretend to know all of the possible issues that could've caused Solo to earn what it did. But neither should any of us, unless you're an insider. Saying "Disney clearly learned they need to listen to fans" is childish. Just because you personally didn't go see Solo out of some misguided principle doesn't mean that other people had the same reasoning.
     
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    Of course it's not going to be the final Star Wars film. If the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones didn't kill the Star Wars franchise, then TLJ won't kill it either.

    The question is if Solo will bring an end to the Saga films. Personally I think the plan has always been for IX to be the end, at least for now. Certainly it will be for the foreseeable future. They might do another saga trilogy in say 10 years, but who knows?

    Hopefully they learn from the mistake they made back in 2013 to insist that a film be released in 2015. Get the script right! Don't rush things. And just leave the characters from the OT alone. No more origins films (god please don't do a Luke "origins" film... We don't need to see him bored to death fixing moisture vaporators!!!).
     
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    I guess I'm confused.

    Why would Solo kill saga films? If anything, doesn't it show that saga films tend to do better than spinoffs?


    And totally agreed about not needing a Luke origins story- or an Obi Wan film during that time, for that matter. :p
     
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    Solo BO has nothing to do with TLJ response. The market is saturated with Infinity War and Deadpool and the movie got little advertising time due to TLJ opening.

    Rogue One did BEYOND anything expected and had a full year to promote and a Celebration for it It’s unfair to pin those expectations on Solo.

    The lesson is each movie needs it’s own promotion. Meaning a full calendar year for each film
     
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    IX was always going to end this ST regardless if SOLO was successful or not. A trilogy is three EPISODE Saga films. SOLO is not an EPISODE Saga film.

    Solo is merely a Han Solo origin backstory film that has no affect on any film in the timeline after it.
     
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