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With Solo bombing, will 9 be the finale to The Saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by ScumAndVillainy, May 28, 2018.

  1. KeithF1138

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    If done right it doesnt need to confuse. The whole world isnt idiots. Like dont make it a trailer. More like one of the making of videos they have done for TFA, TLJ and Solo.

    Instead we got nothing until Superbowl Sunday in early February right when the whole world was ready for Black Panther and the marketing for Avengers was just starting to hit overdrive.
     
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    Well yes, but again they were doing what had worked to the tune of billions of dollars of profit. They’ll fix the strategy to adapt to the audience and move on. Fans need to stop panicking and reducing the conversation to firing KK or blaming TLJ.

    Solo is still here. It’s not going anywhere. And fans will get to watch it forever.
     
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    How had it worked before? I agree on not firing KK or blaming TLJ and I am happy we have Solo as well. Seen it 3 times and love it.
     
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    TFA Rogue One and TLJ hit at least one billion worldwide in the one movie marketed at a time strategy.

    Solo had the same strategy but was severely handicapped by not having a Celebration presence or Force Friday. The team should now realize SW needs to be treated like an event and give each a year.
     
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    I agree it needs more marketing. That was my point. I dont think we cant handle 2 films per year. Movies need more marketing then starting 3 months before release. Should have had a presence at Celebration in April. I also think Ep9 needs to start earlier then TLJ did. We now know that Star Wars needs strong marketing plan well in advance.
     
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    Episode 9 will have roughly 15 months almost the same as TFA. and it will have its own celebration etc.

    I think they didn’t want to push Solo back because originally they expected XI to be next May not December. By the time XI was switched from May to December, it was too late to move Solo.
     
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    Not moving Solo to december was probably their biggest mistake. Everything else (like bad marketing) could be fixed with enough time.
     
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    That doesn't mean they shouldn't. No other Star Wars movie has been released 5 months after another. And honestly, who is going to be confused? Sure a few, maybe. But the people that could actually build excitement in the general public (i.e. us the fans) for the Solo movie would not be confused. Instead they did zero marketing until February, as if they were hiding something. And from the look of it, we have at least two other trilogies in the works, that will most likely be released concurrently (in other words, I doubt they are going to release all 3 D&D films and then do Rian's trilogy). And standalone movies will be thrown in between those evidently. So they are going to have to get over this whole 'confuse the audience' thing. There are going to be Star Wars movies AND Tv shows from all different time periods.
     
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    When you say end to the saga do you mean future trilogies or any and all Star Wars movies? I think they could possibly take a break for a while, but forever? I doubt it.
     
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    Canning all future films would be a really impulsive reaction. They didn't market or time this movie well enough, and they will learn their lesson. Spin-offs are their own thing anyway.
     
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    Sorry back in September 2017 is when they officially moved Ep9 back. They could have and should have done both at the same time. Dont know why they didnt. Was 9 months out. They could have then had the typical teaser, trailer, trailer release every 3 months. They also could have started pushing presales sooner. Think they held off because they didnt want to push pre-sales of Avengers and Solo at the same time.
     
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    I’m just speculating. I suspect though to move film back at that point would have framed the release poorly as the film was already suffering from bad press due to L & M being fired.
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    In retrospect, yes that would have fixed a lot.
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    Well, yeah. All studios make mistakes. The idea is to learn from them.
     
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    In all honesty if someone enjoy something that's great. I just feel its a film that didn't need to be made. Just a personal opinion I can't see how this is going to effect IX either way.
     
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    December release date, no nostalgia bait stories, and all star wars films are to have celebrations
     
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    I hope Rian Johnson has encouraged more filmmakers to throw the haters under the bus. Just for the pure sake of it and just for the pure fact that they don't have to EVER cater to some of the most vile,toxic fanbase which is only a loud and angry 10%. So toxic that the worst vitrol towards Kelly Marie Tran is quite sickening. A bunch of whining, angry, entitled fans.

    So if all you do is sit around to troll with venom spewing on boards about a movie then you have issues.

    And to answer the OP's original post. Yes and No. Yes because IX was already the finale and no because more is coming whether you like it or not.
     
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    In 2015, the Fantastic Four had an opening weekend that was about one quarter of what Solo took in.

    Disney has released 12 Marvel movies since then.
     
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    I’m sure a lot of people will dislike this comment. But like it or not it’s true at least to some degree. Solo is the first SW movie I haven’t seen in theater (excluding the OT... I wasn’t even born for ANH). I hated TLJ and while I’m not swearing off SW (I’m still posting here after all), that movie threw a wet, cold blanket over my SW enthusiasm in one night. I’m totally going to see EPIX, but I won’t have the same excitement I had for every other release.
     
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    The Skywalker Saga should come to an end with E9, but with the door open that it could resume at some point. I think that has always been the plan - To shift the focus of the franchise and broaden the possibilities. I think that is/was the intent of the Rian Johnson trilogy. And I think that idea led to some of the terrible decisions that were made in TLJ. I think KK really liked RJ and thought he was going to be the new GL. But she couldn't have been more wrong. At this point, I think it's safe to say that a Rian Johnson trilogy is unlikely to happen. (Thank the maker!) But I think a brand-new trilogy is coming no matter what. And I have no problem with that. It makes more sense long-term. My problem is what TLJ has done to the Skywalker Saga. It's like a marathon runner twisting his ankle with 1 mile left. Now he's limping along, just trying to finish the race.
     
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    I think episode 9 should be the final episode movie just because of the aesthetic of a trilogy of trilogies.

    I think Sparafuceli(sp) is right on this. You don't actually have proof of anything, what you're doing is something like claiming a rooster makes the sunrise, because when he crows, the sun comes up. Then the next day when you watch the sunrise as the rooster crows, you say "Aha! Now I have proof!" But it's a close proximity fallacy with no real correlation. The people who think they did something with a "boycott" I think are being a little self-deluded at this point. Some little delusions of grandeur going on there.

    I would hypothesize the biggest culprit in Solo's underperformance is the recasting of Han Solo. In the general public's mind, Harrison Ford is Han Solo. This was the big problem everyone had with Solo before it even began. There was nothing about TLJ on anyone's mind when they said "That is not Han Solo!" Recasting Han, that is a very tough sell. A very tough sell would produce a very tough box office receipt.

    As for "just ask around" there's an audience of hundreds of millions. Just "asking around" is a false poll which won't give you any meaningful data. But if episode 9 flops, then I think you can begin to talk about how you finally have proof that the "brand was damaged by TLJ". Until then? It's just a rooster crowing while the sun comes up.

    I disgree; superhero movies, LotR movies, Pixar movies, Harry Potter movies, every tv series under the sun, all disprove that claim. I think what we're really seeing with people is a type of monkey-see-monkey-do effect (monkey-hear-monkey-say, in this case). People claiming "fatigue" are just mimicing what they're hearing in their own little circles. People are followers by nature. They don't think, they just, react. When they see something funny, they tend to look at everyone else to make sure they're laughing and so it's okay to laugh. It's a desire to understand normalcy in their own little world, and then conform to that standard to be accepted as, part of the tribe.

    I'm confident that a huge number of people's reaction to the sequels (and, prequels for that matter) are based on, whose video review they watched first. People want to be told how to act, and they get that from their chosen online personalities. This goes both ways.

    But when people say "fatigue" I'm sure that is absolutely not the case, since other forms and genres demonstrate that's not the case. There was no, Harry Potter fatigue, or superhero fatigue, or CGI fatigue, people can binge 40 hours of Game of Thrones or any series. All disproving "fatigue" and proving a mindset where people will say something untrue just to conform to what they're being told.
     
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    Look at you with all that sense and logic. That doesn't fit the Last Jedi is the source of all that is ill with the multiverse narrative

    Look at you sitting there with no tin foil cap on nor any conspiracy theory espoused.

    How dare you discuss stuff like marketing and selling audiences on what you have to offer them?

    Marketing can't matter! Studios only pump billions into it every year and have staffs built for fun. I mean there are random isolated success stories with light or even lackluster sales jobs. Any exception is just as good as a rule, right?
     
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