SPOILER Ahsoka - Part 4, Fallen Jedi

I enjoyed the Force Unleashed games, but I thought the StarKiller theory was ludicrous, to say the least. As a fan of Rebels, I also thought the Ezra theory was ridiculous in and of itself, but I didn't want to stomp on anyone's yum, so I didn't comment till now.

What I would speculate on, is that Marrok was a dead Inquisitor resurrected by Morgan Elsbeth, simply because the green dust reminds me of the Dathomir witch magic from the TCW animated show, but even that is going a bit too far into the nerd forest. So I agree, and relieved that its all over with.

So far they have brought the Star Wars lore into the video games, I don't think that they have brought a Star Wars video game character into live action series or film yet, correct me if I'm wrong. I remember seeing Dash Rendar's ship, the Outrider as an easter egg in the ANH special edition but thats all I can recall at this time.

There have been talks of bringing Cal Kestis into live action since he is an actual actor with experience, but I think its just a fan dream at this time. A few months ago, I saw allot of Youtube click-bait videos on this theory of Cal Kestis getting his own live action series, and it was all hogwash.

 

Unfortunately, mane video game actors stay video game actors when linked to particular series. But I have seen it also going the opposite way as kinda of a rule, like bringing Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa to play Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat 11.
The mindset being kinda similar to the previous statement from LFL (which fans ranked as A tier, B tier etc. canon) about canon and creators wanting the movies to be the main media and video games being different and niche market. Maybe, if they adapted the Jedi series similar to Last Of Us. The question is if they would keep Monaghan to play Kestis or recast him. Hera also had a different actress to portray her in Squadrons, while Marshall provided the voice, to be recast with Winstead (in this case for obvious reasons).
With Monaghan actually being acomplished actor, let's see if that happens. But I can see that they will probably continue his story through third video game, rather than shelling out resources on making a D+ show or some extra to video game series, that has on par and bigger production costs than movies. Also, SW is quite niche in itself, as Last Of Us is a story with wider audience hit based on the more universal and grounded story probably.
So yeah, actors, plot/lore stuff and devices are usually adapted into games for a wow factor and the recognition of "cool, the guys went extra mile and Boba Fett is Temuera Morrison and it connects more with the main media!" and not the other way around, as the general audience won't get it outside of minor easter egg for those niche fans.



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The Grand Inquisitor said - "there are some things far more frightening than death".


Perhaps Inquisitor Marrock walked more than a few miles in those shoes.

 

Considering the time period, I don’t think it would be too weird to bring in Janina Gavankar as Iden Versio. If they could bring Cobb Vanth into Mando from Aftermath, Versio isn’t all that much of a stretch.

 

I enjoyed the Aftermath trilogy, I was excited that Cobb Vanth was brought in from a novel I read, but again Iden Versio is from a video game, not from a novel (it is customary for directors/writers/producers to use novels and books for film projects), my point is they haven't brought in a video game character from a Star Wars video game yet, so the Starkiller theory IMHOP was farfetched. Gavankar would be great in a live action series, perhaps she will be the first. With the popularity of The Last of US the industry is about to change.

 

Sure, the theory was pretty farfetched, but not just because the character is from a video game. He doesn’t exist in this continuity. They’d have to tweak his backstory to jive with the current era. He’d be a different character. What does that really get them in the long run? What would that reveal even have to do with this story?

It wasn’t that long ago the idea of an animated character making the jump to live-action seemed like wishful thinking. Just a matter of time, I feel.

 

Just finished! Great episode, and easily the most cinematic of the bunch. (Which is saying a lot considering how cinematic the previous episodes have been.) Turns out Marrok wasn't Ezra! Or anyone else we knew! Farewell, our Harry Potter Chess Piece.* We hardly knew thee. The betrayal flags were high, so that wasn't really a twist. (Besides, we needed the plot to keep going.) Baylan being one of the first villains in Star Wars to successfully convince his opponent to surrender gives him MAJOR points, and the fights were well done. (My friend complained a lot about how Kendo-inspired they are. I didn't mind, but he said that after living in Japan for 7 years, seeing all of the Japanese inspirations in the show gets a little old.)

The Big Moment at the end wasn't spoiled for me, per se, but I did get glimpses of what happened via social media. I still didn't put the pieces together until the moment arrived, and I'm interested and excited to see where it goes from here. (I do feel like the move they used was a bit of a cheat though. We've seen it used once before, so seeing it again leaves a weird taste in my mouth. Let's see how they use it before I give my final judgement.) I also feel like the actions of this episode may break down some things about the ST for me, and not in a good way.

I won't say that Peter Ramsey can come back to Star Wars any time, but right now I'd be eyeing the responses for later episodes he does and maybe talk to him about directing a project if all is well.


*Watching with a friend and he pointed out how Marrok looked exactly like the Queen from Harry Potter Chess.

 

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Galen Marek codenamed Starkiller is Darth Vader's pupil and personal assassin. The Inquisitorius (Marrok) are agents under the command of Darth Vader, both existed BBY which fall within the same exact continuity; therefore, incorporating Starkiller would be farfetched due to the fact he is a video game character. Marrok or Starkiller could have been resurrected by Morgan Elsbeth. LFL has not incorporated a video game character into live action as of yet, LFL like Disney have installed characters from animation into live action content, also cherry-picked from Legends, and present Disney canon.

 

As of right now, the events of The Force Unleashed are regarded as Legends. So, no, not “the same exact continuity”.

I guess I’m just not following your logic here. If they’d wanted this disposable mid-level thug character to be loosely based on Starkiller, his origin as a video game character wouldn’t have stopped them. The average viewer doesn’t know who this guy is and the informed viewer would have wanted more than what the role was. It’s loose/loose. It doesn’t make sense.

People keep conflating ‘mysterious’ with ‘important’. Marrok was mysterious, but nothing about his use in the story implied he’d be important. He was just another inquisitor. Is that what people with investment would have wanted? An errand boy?

The first animation to live-action character was Saw Gerrera. A character that fit the role needed in Rogue One, but didn’t bring a lot of story collateral with him. The first literary to live-action character was Cobb Vanth. A character that fit the role needed in The Mandalorian, but didn’t bring a lot of story collateral with him.

I’m sure we’ll be seeing a game to live-action character at some point. And when we do, it’ll probably follow that same pattern.

 

Ok, that's fine...

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To a certain extent, Grand Admiral Thrawn was also allocated to Legends, and then Filoni cherry-picked him for Rebels, so Starkiller could have been cherry-picked as well with out bringing 'a lot of story collateral with him.' Why would he bring him in? Just because Filoni and Witwer are friends?

 

That’s exactly what I mean though. Thrawn wasn’t brought in to be some piddly middle manager. He was tapped to be the arch villain of a series. Precisely because of the built-in gravity already afforded him. He was given a role that fit his character.

I’m not saying it makes no sense to draft Starkiller at all ever. Just not as ‘head goon’. Otherwise it’s a pretty big waste. Don't you think?

Witwer could play whatever part Filoni wanted to give him though. It doesn’t have to be that one.

 

I don't think Starkiller would be drafted as a 'head goon', simply because he was Darth Vader's errand boy; therefore, Marrok/Marek could have been Morgan Elsbeths' errand boy too... but, alas, I fully understand your point of view.

 

Keep cool mate.
We just have seen 2 seconds of this. We don't know "what" it is - even if we all in our fandom pray for a real Haydn playing an in-the-flesh Anakin, as he was before he became Vader.

Well. 2 seconds, and then the episode stops.
If Episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back would have brutally stopped just after Gran'Pa Palps holo calls Vader abord the Star Wars Detroyer,


that should have generate a telluric "Hey, what's that miserable video effect on that face ?".
Remember, closer to us : when we saw the first TFA trailer, there have been some experts who definitely blamed that mysterious Snoke appearance - till it was confirmed later in the movie, it was all an hologram.

So.
We DO NOT know what precisely stand in front of Ahsoka in that moment.
Sure, this... thing looks like Anakin., a smiling in-the-flash Anakin, far from Vader. A beautiful Anakin (apart the CGI effect).
But, actually, we are sure of only one thing : at this time, the real Anakin (and/or his public image Darth Vader) is gone. Definitely gone under the eyes of his son aboard the Death Star.
So, actually, we do know nothing of what is playing here.

It's mandatory to wait and see what happens now, before stating any "weird" or "flawed CGI" or even "Ahsoka ruined my childhood".

 

To be fair, even Rebels fans don't really understand much about the WBW. It's not like non-animation fans are missing that much context that they couldn't be brought up to speed. And last week's ending was pretty intentionally a cliffhanger, so not understanding what's going on is kinda the point.

I assume this show will catch us up tomorrow.

 

WÔÔÔÔT ???

 

Tomorrow for the Americanites, but Wednesday morning for us over in the old countries

 

One thing is certain, we will not be seeing this.​