SPECULATION Are they twins??

I'm leaning toward Rey and Kylo being the children of Han and Leia. Rey exhibits force sensitivity at some point. Han doesn't want her to be trained as a Jedi, causing a rift between him and Leia and maybe Luke. Han takes off with Rey to keep her away from Luke and his influence. Kylo grows up with a chip on his shoulder, both for not being "special" like Rey and because his dad basically abandoned him for his sister. He probably also hates his uncle for wanting to train Rey but not even giving Kylo a second glance. Kylo spends his life obsessing over the Jedi, his grandfather in particular. Kylo is a young, angry Jedi-wannabe with abandonment /rejection issues. Snoke takes advantage of this and seduces Kylo, promising to train him to be Sith. By day Kylo is the same young, unimportant aristocrat (reporting to Snoke) and by night he wears a mask and plays out his Vader fantasies- acting as a First Order enforcer. What he doesn't know is that Snoke is just using him as a means to get his real objectives: Rey and Luke.
Could explain a lot: Rey's reaction to the lightsaber, if she's raised to be wary of Jedi.
Han and Leia's not being together.
Kylo's artifact obsession
Han's alleged death (angry son killing father)
Luke's self exile

Sorry if this theory's already been out there. There's like 2,000 posts to read through in the Rey thread.

 

Oscar Isaac said there's twists and surprises in the movie--he's addressing the mainstream audience--not the small % of people that have spent a year or three reading spoilers and leaked filming outlines and concept art and speculating/guessing about every aspect of the plot. The world doesn't revolve around those people, this forum, it's a drop in the bucket.

 

Not all fans are spoiler hounds. I don't know that every fan would jump to Kylo being Han's son either. And I think he is a red herring of sorts anyway. Also, Disney and Lucasfilm are banking on this film being for more than just current fans.

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Why wouldn't Kylo be "special"? You also have to explain why the Han of ROTJ would be such a jerk to Luke and his own family. This feels like more "Han's arc should end with shooting Greedo" storytelling.

 

Yes we are! The prequels were just a bad dream...hahaha

 

There are uber fans of Star Wars but the films themselves I think are well known by the general audience. Meaning lots of average movie goers might not know much about the ins and outs of the Mortis Arc and how it may or may not be utilized, they may not remember the odd fringe character back story but I do think they know most of the films and are very familiar with them as cultural landmarks.

 

Even the inuits know that Vader is Luke's father. And if it's casual audience I don't get it.

What is the twist if they don't even know who are Han and Leia ?

It's like if I told you hey did you see that the son of Ghislain Lambert was in fact his nephew ? The son of who ?

You'll take it as a fact not as a twist.

 

Never said he wasn't. Maybe just a late bloomer. Maybe not nearly as strong in the Force as Rey. Maybe he was a weird kid who tortured animals and all agreed that training him as Jedi would be a really bad idea. Who knows?

Maybe Luke/Leia were the jerks and backed Han into a corner, and the only way he could prevent his baby girl from becoming a potential Vader is by taking her away? I'm sure there were some folks of the opinion that maybe the galaxy would be best served if the Jedi were to just die out naturally.
Just some fun speculation.

 

We really don't know what the context of the quote is yet. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Force awakened in someone who didn't have it before. Remember, Luke was Force sensitive but never really used it consciously before Ben taught him. An "awakening" could be a tremor in the Force when someone uses it for the first time. It could also be a spike in the Force when something big happens. The feeling that Ben gets when Alderaan was destroyed could have been an "awakening."

 

Well, it's the title of the movie. It's not nothing. And it is on present form.

 

You did, actually, "Kylo grows up with a chip on his shoulder, both for not being "special" like Rey and because his dad basically abandoned him for his sister." But I get what you mean.

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I didn't say it was nothing. I said we don't know what it means yet. I also didn't say it was something in the past.

 

The Hasbro Star Wars cards put Kylo Ren as an "8" and Rey as "7" (higher is stronger).

Rey (last name intentionally withheld) is
"Rey is a resilient survivor, a scavenger toughened by a lifetime of dealing with the cutthroats of the harsh desert world of Jakku."

Kylo Ren (not his birth name) is
"A dark warrior strong with the Force, Kylo Ren commands First Order missions with a temper as fiery as his unconventional lightsaber."

But beware from history what they said about Padmé.
"As handmaiden to the young Queen Amidala of Naboo, Padmé Naberrie is a trusted advisor and privy to many important state secrets."

 

Not sure what this has to do with the topic. And we knew this info already from other products and descriptions.

 

You know.... Cindel had no last name in The Ewok Adventure/ Ewoks: The Battle for Endor

And all we know of GW's character is she is called Captain Phasma....

Both actresses are blonde and about the same age (less then a year apart)

Unless its ever contradicted in a movie or the proposed future TV series from this day forth I will always think of her as Captain Cindel Phasma!

 

You might be onto something.. I think most of us are assuming there is an "awakening" in the events of TFA, but maybe it does occur before?

 

Ridley and Driver have too much of an age gap to be twins. Aaaaaaand my personal bias has me vote for Rey being Luke's, and Kylo being and Leia's (And Han, of course. I think Kylo killing Han wouldn't be as effective if he wasn't his son).

 

Definitely not twins. I at one point thought that both Rey and Kylo were brother and sister and kids of Han and Leia. I don't think so any more. I think Kylo is their kid. I think Rey will either be Luke's daughter or not related at all to Skywalker/ Solos

 

Sibling rivalry resonates more with the global mass audience more than cousins. It's more of a relateable concept. Sister vs. Brother. Brother vs. Brother. Sister vs. Sister. Also, it's "blowing up the balloon" less to have one family branch than two.

See Alias. Sydney and Nadia.

http://www.iment.com/maida/tv/alias/aliascharacters.htm

Or Frozen. Anna and Elsa.

 

My personal favorite theory that has cropped up in the last week was:

Thus Kylo is not related, but claiming to be a Skywalker when in reality Rey is the Skywalker and may or may not know it.

That seemed pretty interesting, but pretty convoluted. Seems simpler if Kylo is just straight up bad and unrelated while Rey is clearly related to the Skyalker bloodline.