SPECULATION BAT-SITH CRAZY: Abeloth, Chaos Theory and the ST

However Chaos is an ever shrinking theory. You are correct that when the study of something is in it's infancy, most people tend to overlook small details and look for macro causes, for the purpose of simple organization, yet, with time, trial and error, influencing factors of all magnitude eventually come to light. I have seen it in the agricultural sector, where atomic measurements of certain unlikely elements present in a soil are the difference between a healthy yield and a lacking one, and you wouldn't believe some of the things plants use as nutrients, and only in recent years has this knowledge come to light and been applied. You will find that anything unpredictable simply needs enough iterations before it is totally predictable, perhaps not by a human mind, but by sophisticated software engineered to do so.

 

A point or points to consider too is the dialogue & scenes in ANH & TESB.
More TESB than Star Wars: A New Hope.
Luke's "visions" of seeing his face in the Vader mask.
The way Luke's inability to lift the trashed X-Wing out of the bog, then YODA does it & says; "THAT is why you fail."
Yoda & "Force Ghost Ben"(maybe if it's CGI/FX) may appear in TFA to "coach" Luke in exile.
The enciting event(massive attack) may chase Luke into hiding & while there he will assess what he did wrong over his entire life.
Luke can also have "remote viewing" or "see the future" then get scared or feel inadequate.

 

I get this, Willybobo. I do. But I'm not entirely on board because of how difficult it would be to implement as a story.

Are you suggesting that after two trilogies--that's six films--some long dormant threat we've never seen before steps forward and says, 'Right, now all that's over with, bow before me! Everything is progressing according to MY plan now'?

Would that wash with an audience? Wouldn't wash with me....unless there was a twist, such as Yoda is the one who saw it coming and used Luke to clear the slate so he could balance the Force himself from beyond the grave.

But even that is a bit too far, imho.

I do think it will turn out Luke did more harm than good, though. Or at least, that's how Luke will see it. (But I've said that before, and have been saying it for a while now....we'll see )

 

To quote the old Garth Brooks diddy; "The Road To Hell is paved with good intentions."

TFA could, could have a first act where Leia & the alliance/republic negotiate a "armistice" or truce with the remaining Imperial forces then they get burned or have a sneak attack with the "Acient Fear" Sith weapon.

That screenplay plot is feasible but SOOO many sci-fi fans would rag on the direct comparisons to both the old(1970s) & new(2000s) BattleStar Gallaticas JJ & George Lucas will never shake it.

 

Yep, FettMan. Agreed.

I'm holding onto my theories of old: there is an uneasy peace until Boyega steals something from the Imperials (either as part of an elaborate heist or an opportunist impulse) that is central to their plans without knowing how important it is. Boyega's actions will kick-start a wide range of events, including suspicion against the Imperials from the Republic, unauthorised ventures into Republic space by Imperials looking for the stolen 'thing', and a disturbance in the Force (presumably because the 'thing' is a Sith artefact).

My best guess, the opening of the movie plays like this: a seemingly random Stormtrooper steals something aboard a Star Destroyer and leaves with it. (An escape from a SD echoing EpIV). He is shot down, presumed to be deserting but it is later discovered that he had taken something important and a search is called. The Stormtrooper is Boyega, who stole the something for the Sith Artefact Collector in exchange for cash. Boyega has no idea what he has....until Montross identifies it for him and he decides it's too dangerous to hand over to a mere enthusiast. It should be in the hands of an authority, such as a Jedi. So begins the search for Luke. Meanwhile, diplomatic stability is breaking down. The Imperials need to search for Boyega but can't because he's now in Republic Space. What's more, the Republic is being accused of having stolen the artefact themselves because--wait for it--the Star Destroyer Boyega stole it from was being marshalled through a restricted area of Republic Space by none other than Han Solo, one-time enemy of the Empire and Lover/Husband of the current Chancellor of the Republic, Leia. The Imperials want to take Han into custody, but Leia is able to persuade them to hold fast on that....while she approaches the Hutts for help...and....and....I'm getting carried away now, time to stop....

 

Yeah, you're right Willyboo. You wanted to talk about chaos and the reliability of prophecy within a chaotic system, didn't you. Bet you never imagined we'd get so far off topic....

....oh, the irony.

The slap-down exchange between Luke and Palpatine in EpVI serves, I think: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." / "Your faith in your friends is yours." Point: neither were actually trusting the Force, and you can't affectively predict anything unless you do that because unless you do that your own agendas and preferences will ALWAYS get in the way.

I've held back on making too big a deal about this until now (for fear of offending, or whatever), but it sounds to me like Luke's exile is his '40 days in the wilderness'. In the Biblical account of Jesus' 40 days, Jesus is subjected to three tests (or temptations) with rewards that Jesus has already actually turned down: adulation of the people (the hero's medal ceremony), opportunity for political clout (galactic hero) and in EpVII, I believe we will see Luke struggle with the third temptation: favour among the Angels. Luke will NOT want to believe he is special, he is too humble -- but that will be his saving grace, because he will resist the temptation to put anything ahead of the Will (Whill) of the Force. Luke's vision will be absolutely free of Ego (ok, let's throw in Freud, why not) and therefore the only vision of clarity and reliability. It's just that it will take Luke time to recognize that his vision is clear, because he will first have to accept (to himself) that HE doesn't actually matter at all. This is a central lesson in most spiritual disciplines.

So, yes chaos is a complex system but it is vantage and expectation that renders it so (as quantum theory, and in paricular M theory) is beginning to illustrate. Remove the vantage and expectation, the Ego and the agenda, the fear and the longing, and you see it isn't that complex or chaotic at all. Remove all those things, and you are left with the Force and are truly a Jedi.

Remember to eat your vegetables, people. x

 

Luke definitely had an agenda, he just got lucky. He went against Yoda's directives and set out to free his father rather than kill him: "I sense good in him". Luke was about as far from being agenda-free as he could get, but whether he was still inadvertently following the Will of the Force or not remains to be seen.

Agree Luke is due a final temptation, and I think it will be his resisting of the third temptation that will 'Awaken' the Force.

Great reading, stating temptation from Vader and Palpatine. Difficult to predict from where the third temptation will come, it is; but I think Luke may tempt himself....

 

Why is every 3rd member on this forum thinking Leia will be evil?
What did Leia ever say or do in the OT to create such scorn or animosity?
If anything, I think Leia may pull a Jar-Jar & either unintentional acts or her "faith" in someone(child/mentor/relative) will turn around and hurt her(or be a major screw up).
The story leaks already say she's trying hard to conceal her connection to Luke/Vader/Skywalkers so that pressure & her powerful political position may cause her to make poor decisions.

I'm strongly in the camp of Leia being a hero/heroine of the 3 films(if she isn't waxed in some Shakespeare type scene).

 

Maybe Leia will throw the whole Senate at em!

Robot Chicken joke....
Quick, true story: in 1997, my friend & I were invited to the production set of Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman.
We went with this nutcase girl who really sucked the air out the room.
My friend wanted to meet the lead actor; Jane Seymore. Seymour's had a PA(production assistant) on the set & used a beat up old station wagon to go around the locations in. When they wanted to go meet her the girl ran off after the station wagon.
I told my friend to go with Seymour's PA & she'll take us straight to Jane.
We met her later and the other girl looked like a stalker & a idiot.
The incident showed me to use your head, . Follow the SOURCE not what you think might be the right way.
Some of the "leaks" are a bit lame but a few seem credible because of the time/location/continuity.
Like Frank Oz being on the London set. He could be visiting OR if he's going in/out over a few days, then he MIGHT be doing a new scene(s) as a Yoda "force ghost".