SPOILER Bothanspi "Leaks"

Also everyone please keep in mind that J.J. said that many of the rumors are true, and many are false. You can probably lump MSW and other sources into both categories. Just something to keep in mind when reading the bothanspi rumors, if we are trying to use other websites to debunk him. Although I agree that they are more credible, they still could be wrong about what we actually will see.

 

I actually currently think there is reason to believe bothanspi was credible because he told us about Princess Leia being crazy two days before MSW did. In fact, Jason first said bothanspi was lying about Leia but then did a complete 180 shortly thereafter. I also thought bothanspi's personality was very unusual for a fake leaker (e.g., how he said "love you all"), and he knew the filmmaking term "b-roll," which I also found to be out of the ordinary for a fake. My hunch about him could certainly be completely wrong, but I feel there exists at least some circumstantial evidence suggestive of his having been truthful.

 

I just went back and read the rumors, am not sure if they are legit or not. From reading the information given especially for 'Rey' it just sounds like a re-write of Annakin's story. Why would they do that again so soon after the prequels? The person I will give you sounded like that they knew what was happening thing was. We will see what happens, at least this was one of the nicer spoilers who was respectful. It sounds a good story, it fits but am still not convinced 100%.

 

Even though he only worked at Pinewood, he said there are no flashbacks in the film. How would he know that? I bet JJ told him that personally.

 

How would anyone know if there ARE flashbacks?
The safe bet: no flashbacks.

 

I'm very suspicious of giant rumor dumps from people that can't be verified as legit. I think this falls under that category. It will be easy to verify when movie comes out. But I'm not buying it. The fact that all the new characters are related to old is a huge red flag

 

Even if he just worked at Pinewood, he might have still had a general understanding of how all the pieces were going to fit together in the end. We don't even know what his job title was, so we don't really know what he would have needed to be clued in on by the production.

 

Flash backs were not seen in the first two trilogies I don't think TFA should start that it maybe lead to a inevitable repeat scene in the second movie we don't need to be surprised that way.

 

Because it's like poetry, so they'll rhyme. Hopefully it will work.

 

That's a weird use of 'epic fail.'
But I digress...totally agree with you....

 

But there are seven different rhyming schemes it does not have to be ABAB

It could be:

XAXA
AABB
AAAA
AXAA
ABBA
AXXA

 

Well we all have our opinions so Im not bothered. it's not the first time I have received one.

 

But it is not about pitting one rumour against another and using "either could be equally true or untrue" as a starting point.

Surely the logic runs something like this:
MSW, for example, has explained how code names have been used during production, consistently and on numerous occasions. Various other sources have supported this (photo evidence that "Kira", "Rocker #3" have been seen on trailers at known shooting locations, for example). MSW has also described blueprints and concept art which we have since seen relating to the "Pirate Cove" set. Now maybe the art and blueprints are all fake. Of course, however numerous photos and videos later leaked of the Greenham Common shoot which matches concept art we had seen that MSW earlier described. MSW went on to link a code name "Rose" to this set, purely because of reference to it on the blueprints. There was then a process of deduction on his part which led to associating that code name with other concept art and the speculating on the possibility this was Lupita Nyong'o's character. Further down the line, this incorporated the suggestion that the blueprints which linked the Pirate Cove with "Rose's Room" may have had specific puppetry requirements for that room, speculating that Rose may be an alien character realised by puppetry and/or a combination of puppetry and motion capture.
The key things - from my point of view - are that MSW at no point during this process claimed they had been involved making TFA, and at no point did they claim to be telling us "what the plot of the whole film" was. It was pretty transparent process with different levels and depth to it. The sum total of which was to inform that there is a code name "Rose" being used on the production and an attempt to make sense of what the implications are... speculation based on supporting evidence.
Maybe the concept art, MSW's description of it before we saw it, the shoot at Greenham Common and the leaked drone photos and footage were ALL fake or staged. We've got to be open to that possibility, right? Let's keep that in mind while we look at BothanSpi.

BothanSpi - from the outset - takes it as a given that there is a character called Rose, that they are motion capture and will be portrayed by Lupita Nyong'o.
So Rose is a real name then. Not a code name, a real character from the movie that BothanSpi worked on?
So, hey, if Rose is real, then maybe MSW's deduction was correct - I mean, the conclusion that there was a name "Rose" linked to this production, that they were played by Lupita and the fact that they were alien, possibly motion capture, was a brilliant piece of speculation. Oh, and if BothanSpi worked on the movie then the Rose confirmation must go some way to proving the MSW description, art and the Greenham Common shoot were all real and not figments of our imagination after all.
Do you see what I am getting at?

Without making such bold claims as "I worked on this film", "Gleeson puts on a great performance" etc, you can actually still cut right through the MSW stuff and count the rings. It is only ever what it claims to be, on its own terms. Claim to have been there making this film, and you immediately have to come under a different kind of scrutiny.
Someone who worked at Pinewood and watched Gleeson be great "in person" doesn't give that character's name. Ah well. They remembered Rose's name though, otherwise they would have said "Lupita". And Rose shows our heroes a vision. Not of the past though - no, flashbacks are for losers - of the future. How things will be if they don't change their ways, embrace the Christmas spirit and be nice to Bob Cratchit go and find Luke. (Look, Rose is just better than Yoda when it comes to the future, okay?) Close, MSW, but no cigar. Your flashback was actually a flashforward. Kudos for breaking that first though, but you obviously got it a little bit wrong. And well done for speculating that Rose might be linked to a pub or bar first. And that the bar location comes under attack.
And remember that bit with the Falcon "being shot at by TIEs" from the trailer? Oh, go on, you must remember it - well, that comes right after this scene, as the heroes escape the pub under attack. Yep - they edited the plates shot in Abu Dhabi and the CGI stuff right there on the Pinewood backlot while BothanSpi watched...

So, for me, it's not about saying "Person A" says this, "Person B" says that - which is true? BothanSpi has to be right always, otherwise he is not what he claims and is not right at all. MSW, by its very nature, can and will get some things wrong.
You need to show the "working out" to get the marks though...

 

..............................BAZINGA..................................

 

Co-sign this 100%.

Guys, Bothanspi is a fraud. Dead giveaway stuff like speculation of character motivations and knowledge of episode 8 plans ("I don’t wanna give too much away but Rey’s identity doesn’t come out till the 8th film."). This is not something the crew would pick up hanging around Pinewood.

The stuff that sounds right is all aligned with previous speculation, while the stuff that sounds dubious is just that. Dubious b.s.

Didn't we have an entire thread about how to spot fakes? Bothanspi deserves a spot at that table.

Edit: Also, he states unequivocally that MVS is Kanan. And that something happens at the end of Rebels that leaves Kanan scarred. Another dead giveaway. We're supposed to believe he's gathered info about the endgame of Rebels, which is an entirely different production and hasn't even released its 2nd season, just from hanging around Pinewood? Anytime someone claims to know corporate synergy strategies like comic book tie-ins etc it means they are bored fanboys/girls just filling up space till the next trailer drops.

 

Very nice post. You are correct; furthermore, Link Voxx pretty much debunked this thread after revealing that several different people may have been posting under the bothanspi handle.

 

Voxx didn't debunk anything. I explained that if bothanspi works on film crews, you'd expect him to travel to exotic locations for his jobs, which would explain his weird IP addresses. I'm currently combing through the credits of TFA and have come up with a few potential people, including someone who just so happens to be filming a big movie on the opposite side of the world right now. Give me some time and let me see what I can find. The moderators would be able to do this faster because they already know bothanspi's locations, whereas I have to do some guesswork.

 

Bothanspi DOES give Gleeson's name. He claims he's called "Commander Kenway" in the following post: http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/bothanspi-leaks.1952/page-5#post-54163.

 

So we are playing pin the tail on the donkey now? Am I in the know because I live in the UK? Heck my partner lives in Buckinghamshire (I'm not) She must know everything by now.