Casting, Racism, Sexism and Kathleen Kennedy

RDJ was in heaps of successful films before the MCU existed, and has been in many successful ones since.

Chris Evans was phenomenal in Snowpiercer.

 

Uhm ready again...... She STARTED auditioning 2 years ago and got the role 1 1/2 years ago.... basic math, just 6 months.... Even if she's the lead of the st I wonder quite interesting isn't it?

 

How is that relevant? Why should I care how much Clarke is personally benefiting from it.

I just sunk the argument casting is going to noticeably impact Box Office.

And no one so far has made a case that she is the most talented.

 

Alright, alright, time to dial it down people .

 

she was the first one cast and couldnt even tell john about it

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no one said she is literally the most talented, but she is more experienced in her talents than the people that have been cast around her with the exception of woody harrelson probably
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Nah RDJ was pretty screwed career wise before the Iron Man Gig...he was practically dead in Hollywood.

I didn't say anything about quality since no one is arguing Clarke is actually a talented actress or more talented then those she beat.

I am talking Box Office Results thanks to Star Power.

 

What can she say about Kelly without spoiling the movie? She has to keep mum simply because the movie isn't out yet, we don't know what kind of character Kelly plays.
Also she doesn't have to be the champion of social progress. Have you ever considered that? She doesn't talk about race, ethnicities and diversity because that's not the point of the presentation at the SWCO. It was about the characters. Rey, in particular, who is, whether you like it or not, the protagonist.

Also, she never talked about "girl power" but about having empowered female characters. Two very different things. Empowered refers to the freedom the character has, the agency, the strength. Girl Power is a stupid catch phrase people use with no real meaning behind it.

Let me repeat. Kathleen Kennedy is not your SJW mouthpiece. She doesn't need to be. Her job is to make the SW franchise a huge success, which in my opinion, she already has. Her job is to make money for the investors, which she already has. Her job is to make sure that the films are of a certain quality, which she already has.

I apologise. That's still 6 months. And John Boyega auditioned for 7 months. My point still stands.

 

So what my boy just showed you people cant do basic math 2-1.5 is .5.

Did you even read the casting list? At all? Clarke has more experience then Thandie Newton? Donald Glover? Michael K Williams?

Do facts matter at all anymore? Or do facts only need to be checked when one is criticizing KK.

 

That was due to drug use, however he was in Tropic Thunder and other films at the same time as Iron Man.

He lost his box office draw, but regained it later thanks to the MCU. Clarke still has plenty of draw.

 

What your point the question was how was his career pre Iron Man not why his career go to ****.

No she doesn't there is not one piece of actual proof that Clarke is a Box Office Draw and that her name alone is going to make a significant difference in Star Wars: Han Solo Profits.

Casting her didn't make Terminator Genisys a success and yeah the movie was terrible but that hasn't stopped others from making money. Adam Sandler is cashing Netflix checks and he hasnt made good product in what a decade? More then that? Suicide Squad not great....Will Smith and Margot Robbie still put behinds in seats.

You guys want proof when its time to protect KK but don't want to provide any proof for anything else...we call this Hypocrisy or a Double Standard pick one.

 

if youre talking about BO draw and viability as a lead, then yes.

 

Exactly!!!!! It's beyond me how not more people are calling her out, She basically is self inserting at this point with her characters, may KMT show her that also WOC characters can be loved by the fandom

also, unrelated to star wars but, she was one of the producers (the producer?) in the last airbender movie where. ya know. katara, aang and sokka were all white. which says a lot about her

 

Really because Donald Glover has something Clarke has never gotten. You want to know what it is....Golden Globe Best Actor. That would suggest viability to me but what do I know.

She is not the main lead of GoT it really doesnt have one, its ensemble. Nor is she the lead in this Han Solo movie.

I have to Research Airbender of course I do remember movie Katara being White and Brunette and not I don't know Inuit. But I dont know if that girl was British. But yes hard for anyone to make the case for a champion of Diversity with Airbender on their resume.

 

That was Shyamalan's idea actually, and the studio interfered heavily with that film.

 

I don't know if you know this but Kathleen Kennedy does not need protection from you or your ideas. She's still one of the highest earning execs in Hollywood, she's still one of the most successful execs in Hollywood.

She definitely doesn't need our "protection"

We're arguing against your entitlement that somehow she owes you characters of colour. She doesn't. No one does. Is it nice to have representation? Absolutely. but does it make Kathleen Kennedy the devil incarnate for not pushing that agenda? Nope. Not at all.

At no point has she taken on that particular mantle, so I don't why that makes a difference?

Maybe because people have more important things to worry about in life? Maybe because the movies (The Last Airbender was shitey because it was directed and written badly) have been good?

 

Awards don't equal draw.

 

I thought we were debating viability as a lead. I think awards do just that sense they suggest someone is actually good at their job as voted by people that most people trust to tell them if an actor is good or not....

I have already said I don't rate any of them as real Box Office Draws on name alone. That said I haven't seen one iota of proof that Emilia Clarke is a Draw at all.

You keep saying KK doesn't have an agenda when this is the same woman who said she doesn't owe male star wars fans ****...I am paraphrasing of course but no one is forcing an agenda on KK. All she talks about is strong female characters (and movie wise that is translated to an assembly line of White British Brunettes).

 

Only one film outside the saga has a white brunette lead so far. Padme and Anakin had to be white, and it made the most sense to give them both brown hair. If Rey is a Skywalker, brown hair and white skin makes sense as well.

It's too early to assume such a thing. TFA had plenty of diversity throughout the whole film.

 

She said she doesn't need to cater to male fans as far as male representation goes. Which isn't wrong because the large majority of SW characters are male but I don't agree with her because it's a shitty thing to say to fans.

 

I dont care why she said it. That statement though automatically counts as an Agenda, IMO. And I am hardly alone in that view point...I still remember the endless stream of Youtube Videos after that particular statement.

Who is counting Rey against her? Or Padme...

Rey is Fine assuming she is a Skywalker although I should note the restrictions to White and Brunette only apply if she is a Solo if she is Kenobi's or Luke's not really.

However, nothing Forces Clarke or Jyn to also fall in the same model or Rose (if you trust the rumor that RJ had to fight KK to not do it again).

Diversity in Supporting Roles (well at least for Males up until TLJ) is not the same as being the actual Lead. Having some POC backing your white lead is fairly common these days in Hollywood and not a progressive breakthrough worth celebrating.