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Colin Trevorrow Won't Direct Ep. IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by CaptainPhastastic, Jun 15, 2017.

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    Well I might be in the minority, but I think that the overall story arc of the PT is not what made them subpar. I think it was cheesy dialog and bad acting and a few poor choices by the director (George). But the Story, the Sidious takeover and the manipulation of Anakin, I think those are fine ideas...George just didn't actualize them very well. So I'm just way more interested in what George's main ideas are for the ST than say some fan like JJ or Rian. And I don't really mind the idea of kids, Luke was a kid in ANH. He grew up and became a badass. Rey is kid in TFA, granted she starts off as a badass...But Star Wars is usually a coming-of-age type story, so kids make sense.
    I just really want to know what they changed! Was is something minor and George just overreacted? Or did they truely trash his ideas (this is almost unimaginable).
     
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    Not only did he direct the films, he also wrote them and surrounded himself with "yes" men. All of which led to the problems with those films. The bad dialogue, the wooden acting, all of which is well known.

    Personally, I am glad they didn't take his film treatments and follow them word for word. The idea of making Anakin a pre-teen was not a good one, so if that was the plan for the sequel trilogy I'm very happy then went in a different direction.
     
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    The prequel story was also somewhat problematic, because it negates what in many respects made the story of the originals so strong: the danger, the immediacy of the narrative and its lacunae.
     
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    The SW situation is very different from Marvel though. Lucas's decision came all of a sudden, a new trilogy was demanded ASAP, while story wise the old EU was still there to "compete". LFL and KK had to build up pretty much everything from scratch, while not even knowing if the old cast would even sign up. They still aren't exactly sure where to go...
    While the MCU was indeed carefully built up (unlike the DCEU), all they had to do was picking the right source material and adapt it to the big screen. What they did was unheard of in cinematic history. However, imo all of the Marvel flicks are painfully mediocre, and not really worth mentioning outside of the box office success.

    I think KK really wants to ensure the quality of the new SW, and so far her decisions proved to be good (just look at R1).
    Imo movies like the prequels could have never seen the sunlight under her watch...
     
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    Originally, Anakin in TPM was supposed to be an extremely intelligent adult in a body of a child, similarly to Alia in Dune or her nephews, Leto and Ganima in Children of Dune. Such a treatment would have, in my opinion, made the Chose One aspect much more believable and the character of young Anakin much more interesting.
     
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    Ah, hindsight.
     
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    Claudia Gray, the writer of the canon Star Wars novels Lost Stars, Bloodline and Leia Princess of Alderaan.



    Oh she's also a "Reylo".
     
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    I was reading today that he was fired because of his constant clashing with
    Kathleen Kennedy and he got a huge ego while making jurassic world and he couldnt be fired because steven spielberg personally hired him but that wasn't the case with star wars and his drafts were supposedly sub par
     
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    How bad could his ego have gotten he was only hired because Steven and Marshall liked him.
     
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    I am too, but just out of simple curiosity. I doubt we'll ever get the pleasure though. It would be bit of poor taste for him to say "This is how I would have done it!". Plus, there might be something in the legalities of the sale that he not divulge things like that.
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    That's sorta interesting that she's chiming in on it...
     
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    I have no idea but imagine being personally hand picked to direct a big budget movie for steven spielberg after youve made one indie movie that was received well
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    http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/09/...ails-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

    I'm not sure how much I like seeing this being said about her - Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy won't put up with that type of personality, according to a film producer who's worked with the studio head. "If you rub Kathleen Kennedy the wrong way—in any way—you're out. You're done," the source said. "A lot of these young, new directors want to come in and say, 'I want to do this. I want to do that.' A lot of these guys—Lord and Miller, Colin Trevorrow—got very rich, very fast and believed a lot of their own hype. And they don't want to play by the rules," which the source notes is something Kennedy simply won't tolerate.


    I'm not defending Trevorrow - I dunno how arrogant he was being and/or how that arrogance was coming across while on set. But it sounds kinda like Kennedy only wants "yes men" directors. If you rub her the wrong way (does that include questioning her? Suggesting something she doesn't like? ) you're just done and out. I don't think a producer who seems to have so little.......interest in what others can/could bring to the table is the best thing to have, and it would explain why out 7 movies (only 6 have had directors announced) in some from of production/pre-production since she took over - 1 lost a director and was canceled, another 3 have had director changes (one in the middle of production).

    I get they are creating ahuge, interconnected universe and you can't allow the film makers to just do their own thing, but having zero tolerance for the creative people you're choosing to work with...........
     
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    The thing about making a large blockbuster movie for a franchise like Star Wars is that it's never a one (or two) person job. It's a team effort for the most part, with all these interconnected departments working together to bring a product from beginning to end. It is both a product and a movie, and therefore you are not only expected to provide a competently made film that you may or may not have poured your heart into it as a director, but you are also expected to adhere to the nature of the brand itself. What I got from this was that Colin Trevorrow, Phil Lord and Chris Miller were not team players - whilst Rian Johnson is.

    The non-cynical reason why Rian preaches about freedom given to him by the studio stems from the fact that he simply decided to work together with the story group and Kathleen to make sure that what he had in mind was within the possibilities of the franchise (and adapted accordingly).
     
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    but if "team player" = being Kennedy's yes man.......thats a great place for creative people to go.
     
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    I don't think being a yes-man would have led to the rather specific way Han Solo's production crumbled. If Kennedy wanted yes-men, she would have parted ways with Lord and Miller well before the final days of shooting. The fact that she fired them so late into production means that she was close to the project as much as the directors wanted her to be, but the problem was that the vision of the project went off-rails to what the Star Wars brand was supposed to be, and instead of letting it potentially damage the franchise, she took the PR disaster in stride to deliver something more reasonable.

    I mean, let's face it - you're always going to have arguments in situations like these - with the studio wanting a certain thing and the director wanting another. The difference is, Rian apparently knows how to pick his own battles and work within a reasonable frame given to him when he signs on to do a Star Wars movie - a trait that the previous three directors seemed to lack (even though I personally love some of Lord and Miller's previous work).

    Of course, we could speculate about this to no end - we won't know for sure until Han Solo comes out - but you don't pull a stunt like this as the head of Lucasfilm without being absolutely sure that you have a better payoff in the end.
     
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    Depends when they stopped saying yes to everything.

    But this ist he problem - it sounds like as soon as there is an argument, Kennedy fires the other person.
     
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    Lord & Miller were sacked five or six months into the shoot and Colin nine months after Carrie's passing. If she was that quick to dismiss them, they would have been fired months ago.
     
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    To make that statement you need proof they were disagreeing with her months ago.
     
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    And vice versa.
     
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    I'm not sure how much I like seeing this being said about her - Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy won't put up with that type of personality, according to a film producer who's worked with the studio head. "If you rub Kathleen Kennedy the wrong way—in any way—you're out. You're done," the source said. "A lot of these young, new directors want to come in and say, 'I want to do this. I want to do that.' A lot of these guys—Lord and Miller, Colin Trevorrow—got very rich, very fast and believed a lot of their own hype. And they don't want to play by the rules," which the source notes is something Kennedy simply won't tolerate.
     
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