Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

If cheating death is only to keep others from dying then it could be referring to Plagueis. But if cheating death is essence of soul transferring then it could be referring to Bane. It could also have been a lie to seduce Anakin.

 

We already have a topic debating this.
Merged with the Darth Plagueis thread.

 

Interesting take... most people feel that he was referring to Plagueis, but you make a very good point for Palpatine becoming aware of Qui Gon... The Sith believe life ends at death, so for someone to persist in this manner would, to them, be cheating death

 

That right there is the reason I sometimes hate the EU.
The whole Plagueis thing in ROTS works best, if it is all total BS, merely fabricated by Palpatine to snare Anakin. Hence he keeps moving the goalposts.
As soon as you make Plagueis a real person and make novels about his backstory etc... you overcomplicate something that was just a throwaway plot motivator in a movie.
Same with the whole ordering the Clone army stuff - it made sense when, as Lucas himself explained in the yak track, "Dooku was behind it". Then the EU gets the wrong end of the stick and spews out a novel where Jedi Master Sifo Dyas really did order the clones and it actually makes less sense than the very obvious conclusion the films lead us to...


Sometimes I like the EU too...

 

Yeeeaah, no. It works best as it is -- Darth Plagueis being a real person and being Darth Sidious' master. There were no real details given there by Palpatine, just enough was given to seduce Anakin. It works to draw Anakin into Darth Sidious' arms and provides Sidious the ability to gloat simultaneously at his master's misfortune and at his worst enemy's developing downfall. It fits in that Darth Sidious loved to wallow in his own brilliance. The 'Darth Plagueis' novel does not over complicate things, in fact it fleshes things out quite a bit. IMM it should be canonized, TPTB may never canonize it, but it will forever be canon to me. It remains to be seen if the ST says anything about Darth Plagueis. Count me as one who would like to see the character in the ST, but does not consider it a lock.

 

Or... when he had his vision, he saw what would happen if he did try to stop it... who knows?

During WWII, the British broke the German code. They get this message that the bombers are on the way to bomb London... Churchill didn't sound the alarm... he just walked out on the balcony and watched the bombing. Why? If he raised the alarm, the Germans would have known the code had been broken...

Sometimes things don't make sense in the short run...

 

There're some really interesting points and theories being discussed here, but I wanted to throw this idea out there too: maybe the Ancient Fear isn't a person or an invading army or the Sith at all. Maybe it's a state, like chaos?

The PT began with reference to a person (Palpatine: the Phantom Menace) whose 'story' concluded with the Revenge of the Sith. The OT began with a person (Luke: the New Hope) whose 'story' concluded with the Return of the Jedi. So, from a certain point of view, we've had a trilogy that deals with both sides (of the Force?) of Good and Evil. To have another that follows the story of an 'Ancient Fear' would be unsatisfying. I think the Fear is something that affects everyone, like Death itself.

Just a thought.

 

I could see it... from a certain point of view...

The Jedi feared the Sith coming back. The Senate feared the Separatists and the Trade Federation. What the average person in the galaxy probably feared the most was that any of those would bring instability disrupting life...

 

That's not to say I don't think Plagueis will figure -- I just really like the idea of him being something completely unexpected, like a reasonable and 'wise' Sith (who's a bit hippy, lol!)

 

I am sure that while we have gleaned a couple of the pieces to the puzzle, the whole picture will be something we never imagined

 

I sincerely hope so, Tidmadt.

 

I have faith in JJ... I never could figure out what the hell was going on in LOST... Alias threw a new curve every time I did think I knew what was going on, and Star Trek kicked ass...

 

I NEEDED A NEW RINGTONE!!!!

 

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one... But I was responding to a comment which illustrated how what Palpatine says in ROTS just doesn't stack up if taken at face value.
Plagueis can be real in the context of ROTS. He can even have been Palpatine's master. He can even have been killed by his apprentice while he slept.
But the story works best - IMHO, of course - if we are left to ponder Palpatine's account of events, because he clearly keeps moving the goalposts with regards to what he is offering Anakin.
And because the payoff is: no Sith can ever learn the ability to cheat death - it is only through compassion that this can be achieved... and the Death Star blows up, Ewoks dance around the fire, Luke gets to see his dad and his mentors, because they were good people after all, everyone lives happily ever after, roll credits...

 

After reading this thread, if Plagueis isn't the main villain in Episode VII, I'm going to be sad. He sounds really cool.

 

As much as i would enjoy seeing Plagueis in the new movies................. Its gonna be bigger than that (hopefully) I want it to be Darth Bane so bad !
I would put him ahead of everybody as THE greatest character in the whole star wars universe
Please JJ bring it on

 

I agree, Bane would be cool. I checked out his concept art for the Clone Wars series and he has some seriously wicked looking armor. It definitely pays homage to Vader in its conceptualization (both appearing samurai-like), and you can see how it's a more ancient version of Sith-like armor.

 

Have you read his Trilogy books ? Well worth it