Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Exactly. Just like Anakin being the chosen one. That's never really explained, nor implied really in the original trilogy. Maybe as the Jedi believe that the prophecy states Anakin will bring balance, the Sith have another prophecy of one who can cheat death and/or create life. Plagueis managing to do both and fulfilling there end of the prophecy. The Sith prophecy is not complete though because, it also states a Sith ruled galaxy and that is what Plagueis seeks to do with the help of others and using any means necessarily.

 

Very interesting prospective on things. It makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways. As @Ceruleanlord mentions Darth Tenebrous, I think that leads me using it for my reply too. Haha .. Each Sith master passed down what they knew and eventuality learning and doing some of these things you mentioned. Plagueis' master Tenebrous wanted to end the Rule of Two and that leads to the re-birth of the idea of creating a Sith legion. This leads to Plagueis going and doing things you mentioned but, also manipulating Sidious in the process by secretly giving the funds to create a Clone Army and distracting all from the events he has planned with the Sith legion. This could explain why the Muuns funded both the Separatist and Republic because, Plagueis deceived them in doing so. Maybe Sidious knew of a plan for a creation of the Sith legion but, when he thought he killed Plagueis he thought he could do what he wanted and not have a Sith legion but, instead with an Empire. This works to Plagueis' advantage because, in secret he is building his army, while Sidious is controlling his Empire that eventuality will fall at the feet to Plagueis' son, Anakin. It distracts even Yoda and Obi-Wan because, their focus is on Luke and training him to defeat Vader. Then as time goes by, Yoda learns the truth from Qui-Gon and that is why he tells Luke, "Strong am I with the force but, not that strong", when Luke talked to Yoda about how Yoda couldn't die and why it was so important that Luke pass on what he knew because, Yoda knew what was coming.

Plagueis reveals or maybe Sidious just assumes that Plagueis cheated death and brushes it off as nothing like in the book but, then he continues to get a growing feeling he does and Plagueis does reveal himself but, he makes up some lie to make it seem like Palpatine "killing" him was no big deal. What is Sidious suppose to think? Nothing at all because, he doesn't know of Plagueis killing Tenebrous and other things that true Sith do. Or maybe Sidious just assumes his master cheated death and that is why he says to go along with the cheating death phrase, 'If we work together I know we can discover the secret." He needs Vader's help to discover if Plagueis did indeed cheat death but, he never finds an answer before Anakin kills him.

This took me over an hour to type, so hopefully it makes sense and I am not forgetting anything. Haha

 

I'll explain number two from my list further now with an exert from the novel.


A short time later, a gathering was hosted by Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum on Coruscant. Sifo-Dyas was in attendance alongside Jedi Yoda, Mace Windu, Adi Gallia, and Jorus C'baoth. Jedi's fears, convincing him that a military capable of defending the Republic needed to be created now, while there was still a chance. Once again, Plagueis approached Sifo-Dyas, and once more he openly admitted that a growing darkness was approaching, as he stated to the Jedi twenty years before on Serenno. Sifo-Dyas agreed to Plagueis' claim and Plagueis informed him of cloners on Kamino that could grow an army and hold it in reserve until it was needed. The Jedi Master was at first skeptical of this, but was persuaded to think about it.

Following the Battle of Theed, Dooku resigned from the Jedi Order and later fell to the dark side of the force and became the apprentice of Darth Sidious. It was at this time that Sifo-Dyas approached the Kaminoans and requested a clone army for the Republic. With the funds provided by Damask Holdings, Sifo-Dyas paid the Kaminoans. But little did he know that Sidious and Dooku had learned of this and ensured the steps to his demise.

It's not known how they found out about the plan but, it's clear that Sidious didn't expect or know that Plagueis was behind the fundings of the Clone army but, when he found out of the army being built, he took advantage of it. What makes this interesting is that the novel and the episode of Clone Wars connect very extensively. It's clear George had a hand on both and I have a feeling a lot of the elements used in the last season of Clone Wars are to set up what is to come in the Sequel Trilogy. Especially in this area and the Muuns supposedly staying neural and supporting both the Republic and Separatist. There has to be a reason for that and it never being explained.

Rush Clovis from the episode this is halfway explained talks about his background of being raised by the Muuns and of a wealthy family. He doesn't really get into anything more then that but, maybe it has a connection to Episode VII somehow and George did make a quote about a group of people, a family in the Sequel Trilogy. Maybe it's Plagueis' family and their background? It's clear the sequels are dealing with the Skywalker family but, I think that is very clear and George wouldn't feel the need to have shared that.

"It's like a saga, the story of a group of people, a family"

I don't feel it's a coincidence this episode of Clone Wars connects with the book ...

 

Also in the last season of Clone Wars, Yoda goes to Moraband. I have a feeling we may see it at some point in the Sequel trilogy. I find it particularly odd that George changed the name of the planet, don't feel like he'd have the need to do so if it wasn't important to future stories and what he's writing. Yoda also visits Dagobah which is interesting because, according to the novel it was erased from the Jedi achieves by Count Dooku. Along with other planets. There has to be reason for all these things and not being throw aways. Maybe they are locations that Plagueis would use to train his Sith legion but, he decides against using Dagobah when he discovers Yoda is there.

Or now that I think about it, I believe it's because, Sidious saw them as value to the Sith.

I can't figure out why unless it was for Plagueis and Plagueis deceived Sidious into getting Dooku to doing it and Sidious didn't just assume Plagueis cheated death but, knew.

Plagueis had to lie to Sidious to get him to continue with the Empire ...

Trying to piece things together is hard ... Haha

Just found this. http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...oku-erase-dagobah-et-al-in-addition-to-kamino

Quite interesting.

The last point, They might provide something useful to the Jedi.

It makes a lot of sense because on Dagobah, Yoda finds out about Order 66.

It looks like I was reading to much into this part of reasons for Plagueis. Haha ..

 

Listening to George talk in the Attack of the Clones commentary. He brings up the fact of the dark side is clouding the Jedi's vision on the creation of the clone army and in general how it's growing on how difficult it is to see things as they once could.

I find it hard to believe that Sidious is the only reason for things becoming even more difficult then usual. As well as the fact that even didn't know of the Clone army creation ... until he got word some how Sifo Dyas placed an order and he sent Dooku to kill him.

Could explain that someone else is around building a sith/dark side legion and that is growing on clouding their visions.

 

Interesting also in the Attack of the Clones commentary George talks about how ROTS is going to reveal who ordered the Clone Army and it's background. Of course that is never explained. Could this be because, it will be revealed in the sequel trilogy? I'm thinking Episode VIII.

Plagueis reveals he ordered the army and maybe it's Episode VIII or IX that he reveals he created Anakin. He lies by saying if you join me, I can bring your Grandfather back.

In general it would be chilling hearing as well the words " I am your great grandfather, ever wonder why the force runs strong in your family because, each of you have the dark side inside of you."

Can't think of any reason George would avoid it, if it was to be used later.

 

It is not. The last season of Clone Wars had three episodes that did start to explain things from the Jedi prospective. One talks about how they believe Sifo Dyas placed an order mostly. The others mention how the Banking Clan supported both the Republic and Separatist and other interesting things that connect with things George described the sequels as being that weren't really explained only hinted at,. The episodes are on YouTube, if you want me to share.

I should mention that the episodes match exactly to that of the Darth Plagueis novel or start to.

 

It appears the Sifo Dyas episode was deleted but, here's the Banking Clan episodes. Part 2 has some interesting comments that I think could reference something to come. I'll comment on that after you see it and I'll see if you notice it.

Part One:

Part Two:

 

Sounds good. I am going to work on my book I am writing and we'll continue this conversation later.

As far as the book, just pray I don't alter it one of these days.

 

Felt I needed to share this before I forgot but, here's the last scene from the Clone Wars. Very interesting.

I need to watch the episode but, the impression I am getting is Yoda did know of Order 66 and other things. Why didn't he try to stop them? I'm starting to think he started to try to figure things out of what is going on. Maybe he didn't stop things because, he knew it would cause more harm then good. Maybe he didn't necessary sense Plagueis but, he felt if he interfered it would effect the natural course of events and in doing so, not only would the Jedi have to face the Separatist but, the clones and potentially Plagueis' army. This way things happen in due time and as Yoda talks about it may not be soon but, it will end things eventuality. This could explain why the Sith had been extinct for a millennium as of Episode I.

Speaking of Episode I. Looking for more clues and what not. I noticed Qui-Gon asked Anakin's mother about who his father was and she can't explain it. They also discuss how Anakin can see things before they happen. Interesting enough, so can Plagueis. Maybe that is a trait of all jedi but, worth mentioning. Then In the very next scene, Qui-Gone checks Anakin's midi-chlorian count and interesting noting Obi-Wan states "What does that mean?" .. Qui-Gon doesn't know.

George also mentions min-chlorians as the biological part of the force. So that could explain partly, Anakin's origins.