Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

oh make no mistake. i personally feel no compassion for him whatsoever. hahaha

seriously, i don't often have such a visceral dislike for characters, but Snoke pushes all my worst buttons.
he might as well be a serial child-rapist the way i feel about him. and that's outside of what i think is a poor design and performance to boot.

which is why whether he's Plagueis or not doesn't make any difference to me.
part of me would like it if they gave him a corporeal body just to have the satisfaction of seeing it punished.
the other part of me prefers a bloodless victory: otherwise he's a monster who succeeds in turning us in to monsters.

 

Yes, I agree.

And this is the hidden-in-plain-sight "secret" of the Sith and all Dark Siders:

they simply want opponents to become like them, to descend so low to their level, and this sustains the conflict they need for sustenance.

Remember Palpatine prodding Luke on, luring him closer and closer to that dangerous edge in Return of the Jedi: "With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant."

Snoke and The First Order are indeed monstrosities, even as Snoke is not the quite monster we're looking for at the moment.

Overcoming these enemies and avoiding what would otherwise be the next inevitable iteration of violence requires new thinking and the memory of where the Jedi of old went wrong.

And this is where Rey and Luke can factor massively in such a solution.

I think Snoke desperately needs the Darkness like Gollum needed the Ring.

No wonder they got Andy Serkis to play him.

JediMasterRobert

 

this is why i like your idea of a unified show of Light pushing him back under whatever rock he crawled out from (so to speak).

and maybe that's as good an argument for him being Plagueis as any: given the untold horrors of violence and evil and sorrow he's caused in the galaxy, it would be gratifying for Luke and his Jedi heirs to "deal with" him.

it does leave the question as to where the franchise goes from there, but i guess that's for the writers/producers, etc. to solve.

 

I noticed this time around that Plagueis was weary from standing, right after yelling at Hux.... just enough rage to rise up for a second, but there was a flicker in his eye when the moment passed and he sat back down. Could he be an Anzat? Like Volfe Karkko? Some soup to feel better?

 

i don't know anything about Anzat, but you got me thinking about that moment, so i went and looked at the novel and script.
the novel betrays nothing, ascribes Snoke no particular action or feeling in the moment, though it does largely characterize him in a way not shown in the film.
the script is more interesting. it doesn't suggest Snoke rises and we only have an exclamation point after he says "General!" to convey that he is angry.

but then Hux proposes they fire off Starkiller and:



it's a curious little bit of contextual/subtextual business.

is he reacting to Hux's proposal?
is he relieved there is a plan?
is he exhausted from dealing with these two idiots?
why doesn't someone fetch him a bowl of soup?

 

Well shut me down!

"Seems to die"!

Either biggest wind up in history of film or he is Plagueis.

 

Wild theory alert - based on episode 8 beginning pretty much straight after the events of 7:

Plagueis/Snoke seemed pissed as hux in their first scene together and then again in their final scene. So much so actually, that he hardly makes eye contact with him. He then tells Hux to get Kylo and come to him "to complete Kylo's training". This always struck me as an odd thing to say at this point of the movie, with starkiller imploding. All Plagueis could think about was completing Kylo's training? He's livid with Hux and is preparing his punishment.

SO WHAT IF...

Plagueis/Snoke slays Hux in front of Kylo, only to resurrect him in. Not only would this show Kylo just how powerful Snoke is, but it'll also mean for us - PLAGUEIS CONFIRMED!

Just a thought. Feel free to hit me with negativity, you non believers.

 

It could be the other way around. Maybe he kills Kylo and resurrects him, so his last bit of training is conquering death. After all, he might need to convince Kylo to stay evil after he got his arse handed to him by a scavenger who only learned the Force existed a few hours prior...

 

Quite possibly. Plagueis confirmed in the first act of EPVIII, with either of these scenarios. Life wouldn't get much better than that.

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And when you think about it, if (lol) Snoke is Plagueis, his greatest power was to cheat death, so it would be fitting if this was Kylo's final task to complete his training.

Mystery solved. Game over. Plagueis officially confirmed.

 

The problem of main villain.

What if Disney still dont have decision in which direction to develop Snoke's story?

People came from cinema with emptyness felt about Snoke. But what if this emptyness is because Disney is actually empty about it?

Analysing nervous twitter responses from Pablo Hidalgo from Lucas department (and he was honest , direct and calm man before), it seems actually even him does not know who Snoke is,he expresses his personal beliefs (beliefs?) and if he does not know ,nowone does.

What if nowone has got the decision jet?

What if J.J Abrams wanted Snoksey, a redhead evil Dark Force witch acted by Uma Thurman, and just 2 months before film release someone had a gut to tell him this is...maybe should be changed, and they made last minute Snoke as it is based on Plagueis theory by some fans just as place holder, but they wanted not to be Plagueis, but now, after actually thinking,and TFA earning 2.1 billion fuelled by nostalgia, some see the Plagueis is inevitable, so there is internal fight about Snoke ?


EDIT. J.J. Abrams reportedly wanted Snoke to be much younger and a woman.


Eventually Snoke ended to be this guy...



Dont worry George, they have all things under control.

 

This could very easily be the case. Heck, Darth Vader wasn't Luke's dad until one of the final drafts of TESB.
Like many things in TFA, JJ seems to have just put down what he wanted for drama but left the gaps to be filled in by Johnson and Trevorrow.
Johnson might've got to VIII, learned about all this Plagueis stuff and decided to go with that.
The only thing that could possibly go against this is this so called story-group being given Snoke's true identity and basing the stuff outside the movies on that. However, I doubt many people outside the main players know the important stuff and I don't believe anything they are working on goes beyond TFA? My perception is that the story-group and sought out for clarification on things. They know only what they need to know. That goes for Pablo as well.

 

This is how I see it. Lucas had Plagueis in his original treatments for the ST. Disney and co wanted to go off in a different direction. Meetings were had, ideas were discussed. Snoke was originally going to be this new guy/girl, younger looking (and female) in JJ's vision. That's when Plagueis reared his ugly head and they realised he was vital to the story and the only way they could go. Snoke became Plagueis. His appearance becoming old and decrepit - something JJ originally did not want, is the way he ended up. Ask yourself why? The answer my friends, is 'Plagueis conflrmed'.

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One thing that still puzzles me is why did JJ go down the CGI route with Plagueis? Serkis also said that it would've been an impossible look to pull off with only prosthetics too. I'm not that fussed and don't mind the CGI, but it could've been done quite easily using practical effects, something that JJ and his team were constantly going on about.

Bring back George.

 

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Snoke in TFA looks to me, somehow as not entirely 100 % normal human anatomy. He has human face, he is not Muun definitely. Still he has unproportionaly thin and tall stature for an ordinary human anatomy. It will be hard I think to find such actor. Also he is severily deformed by injury .

Personally I believe he is not alien.

My first thought was he is like zombie, undead or something. He is almost like a skeleton with some soft tissue on it.

In theory, (and this could mean they did developed the character),it could be that Force keeps his body in the realm between dead and alive.

It could be that after Palpatine killed him his spirit has left his body, and body started to decompose. Jet, he found a way to return as a Force ghost into this body and halted decomposition of the body reviving himself and keeping it in such state by convergence of the Force.

 

I want to see Snoke be a new alien that can regenerate his body like Deadpool

 

Snoke is clearly (still) cheating death. He is messed up and lives off the Dark Side = Plagueis badly injured and cheated death - check.
Snoke has watched the Empire rise and fall = This fits with Plagueis' timeline - check
Snoke is described as "wise" and as being steeped in Dark Side knowledge - "Darth Plagueis The Wise" + "He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side...".

1 more:

Snoke's entry on SW.com says: Snoke’s origins are yet to be revealed. So there must be more to him. If he's new then there is no reason to hold stuff back. We've seen Snoke, we know he isn't anyone we have seen in SW. Serkis also explains that Snoke was outside of the galactic conflict that has occured before thus didn't sustain his injuries there. Who else is left to be a big reveal that we haven't see and could've sustain injuries before the events of the saga we see on screen.

Darth Plagueis...RIIIIIIIIISE!

I just can't see why they wouldn't make Snoke to be Plagueis. The only other alternative is some ancient Sith guy whose only different to Plagueis is that he would be older and it'd be more a stretch to why he hasn't done anything within the hundreds, if not thousands of years he has existed.

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#SnokeEvolvedIntoPlagueisDuringProductionConfirmed

 

Honestly by all means of human logic, after this you said,- if they indeed after introducing Snoke , such as its already shown in TFA, decide he is not Darth Plagueis the Wise, it will indeed be forever remembered it was because of one single and unfortunate reason.
Vanity.

There is no more other valid argument left against Darth Plagueis the Wise.

 

Just listen to the first 8 minutes of this. And question: Why did Lucas involve himself in this book? He hasn't before. Why did LFL have the book written? Why would Lucas have a backstory for Plagueis?

http://www.forcecast.net/story/home...ueis_Author_James_Luceno_Interview_142595.asp


We have to consider what we think Lucas' would've written as his villain for the ST. I can't see Lucas doing a big u-turn on the kind of plotting and story he came up with for the PT in the ST. He wasn't going to rehash the OT for fans, like JJ did. Plagueis being a Muun, part of the banking clan just chimes perfectly with Lucas' kind of recent thinking. And for some reason he had given Plagueis this kind of thought in 2011 - 1 year before writing and selling the ST to Disney.

I just can't see beyond Plagueis in Lucas' story. Whether that means Disney went with it, I don't know. But for Lucas it's a chance to continue his story and once again make it look like it was all planned - like with Vader. "Oh yeah, Vader was always the father"/"Oh, Plagueis was behind the scenes all along".

What else would Lucas do? I'm not asking for suggestions of who Snoke could be but rather peoples perceptions of who Lucas would've created.

 

Andy Serkis has a brother who is greatest Star Wars fan?

Than Andy is not teling the truth he does not know who Snoke is .

If J.J. didn't told him than surely his brother must have told him he is acting Darth Plagueis the Wise.

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Agree. Indeed if Lucas has searched the ways to make ST one day, he must have stumb on the problem of main villain . Sith are Dead at battle of Endor..what next? How to continue saga after Battle of Endor.?

The fact is that SW saga lives on main villain , as the main villain gives legitimacy for epic battle of good and evil( the heart of SW)

There was only 2 solutions:

1. Make new type of villain, non-.Sith, non-Jedy. Its clear this destroys Lucas Universe.

2. Sneaky Sith that somehow survived and lived paralel to the rule of 2.....here he came to idea of Darth Plagueis I think.

 

Fellow believers... seems my observation wasn't wishful thinking or a delusional fan theory coming to life in my head after all. It was scripted.

Thank you,

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TRAITOR! (Not Traitor)

@FN-3263827 for digging up the script.