Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

HAHAhaahaha ~ that's it!

totally going with this as my new theory.

 

They will find harder to rape characters already mentioned in the Lucas movies, its recorded-sealed. Certainly they would like but unlike books and novels they can cant change what's recorded on the film.

 

I am contemplating cutting myself.

 

they can't change it, but they can ignore it. i guess that's at the heart of this, do you think?

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it'll be okay.

 

Lor San Tekka makes me think that is their modus operandi... an old Quinlan Vos would have made more sense to me, but Kylo was always going to whack LST, so it really doesn't matter.

 

i don't know much about Dark Disciple.
do you think LST was stand-in for Vos or do you think we'll still see Vos as himself or in some other form?
i guess BDT is too young to potentially be Vos?

 

This. I won't be upset if it's not Plagueis so long as the writing isn't bad.

Like I said, I think people are overestimating Snoke's role in the films. I doubt we'll see anything remotely close to what @master_shaitan came up with. I think Kylo will realize Snoke is too weak and destroy him well before Luke has a chance to confront him.

As far as the questions you raised, @master_shaitan, I'll address those later tonight when I have more time.

 

I doubt we will see him on the big screen. Lucas dropped that ball...
I don't like the "Surfer dude" version that the Clone Wars puked out, so I haven't read DD.

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I prefer Duursema's creation, fleshed out by Ostrander and published by Stradley.

(Next to Qui Gon, comic-Vos is my favorite Jedi of all time... )​

 

Snoke smoke snooker sneak snake stoke spoke sloke snark snowjob.

Definitely fishy.

Since Kylo Ren is far more rage and confusion than steady supervillain as of The Force Awakens, and Hux is kind of on that same level, I believe Snoke has to step forth and prove himself with actual on-screen presence in the next film, since the holographic treatment isn't quite cutting it. Vocally, he has it covered, but we need to see him in action, walking even, to gauge him better, at least physically.

I'm wondering if the voice in Rey's head, in the novelization, was then not that of Snoke's but rather from someone like Plagueis. It is simply written as "a voice inside her head." Which she decides against: "she recoiled from it."

Perhaps Snoke is a puppet of Plagueis. At least it's a win for alliteration lovers.

Anybody's guess...

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But they cant do the same with Plagueis again..that will be....

 

I'm not even taking that chance.... ​

I won't be seeing Eppy-8 until Darth Plagueis has been confirmed and if he isn't?

I will gladly ride off into the sunset on my heavily modified, T-16.​

 

I want to give your words a bad rating and your picture a good rating. So I guess that's neutral

Seriously though, attitudes like this just confuse me. I'm out, you guys enjoy your Plagueis Party.

 

Ditto. I'll be back when there's more information to chew on

 

It seems nobody knows who Snoke is

 

Somebody negged me out anyways. And here I thought I was being super friendly by planning ahead so I don't walk out of the next one and ruin the theater experience for someone else.

It confuses you that I am content with the saga without the new Sequels? IMO: TFA was underwhelming in many aspects, so moving forward, the Supreme Leader must be a villain worthy of making Luke hide... he must connect with Luke's father... and he must be more powerful than Emperor Palpatine. Snoke offers me none of that... yet he seems to have adhered to this Sith Lesson by forming/controlling the First Order:

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"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species… finally, the galaxy itself." ―Darth Plagueis

Setting aside the Snoke =Plagueis discussion: I have no attachment to Rey, Finn or Ben Solo... (regardless of that, I really enjoyed the performances of Daisy, JB and AD) so the OT characters need to be more involved with the new kids or the sense of disconnection will remain for me. Tis the gamble they took when the OT cast members were given supporting or barely existent roles... that some of us would be underwhelmed. I've seen many rants about how Star Wars is about the Skywalker family, but all TFA did was talk about him while barely showing us Leia. Sure they find him in the end, but answer me this... how rewarding did that feel? Honestly. Were you satisfied that you spent 2+ hours waiting see super-sad Luke for all of about 42 seconds? I wasn't. I could rant about JJ refusing to face the Luke music, but I've beaten that horse-corpse enough.

The movie was well paced, action packed and generally entertaining. It just has some holes in it.

I'm sure someone will point out the obvious, that Kylo Ren is a Skywalker... and they would technically be correct. Not so fast my Star Wars friends. He is a Solo; first and foremost, who idolizes one Skywalker, hates another, but we aren't sure about how he feels about his mother... I like the character. Alot. But he answers to Snoke, who at the moment, lacks any connection to said Skywalker line. Plagueis solves many problems that I have, that is why I'm so keen on who the Supreme Leader REALLY is. I can get into old man Plagueis outsmarting the ever cunning Palpatine, but not Snoke.

Is that nuts? [/Kenobi] "Possibly."


And no reason to bail on this, we're all crazy for talking about a make believe universe with wizards, cyborgs, light-speed travel and force chokes from 3 trillion miles away.

Plagueis party indeed.


(sorry about the mess, draft on PC, post from Tab... bleh.)

 

Here's how I think a potential Luke/Snoke encounter could play out if Snoke is Plagueis:

Luke - I will put an end to your evil, Snoke. If that means I must destroy you, so be it.

Snoke - Your sense of duty to the light is admirable, but it makes you weak. If only you had listened to your father, he would still be alive to this day.

Luke - You know nothing of my father.

Snoke - My knowledge of Anakin Skywalker surpasses that of any ancient Jedi. Your father was destined to join me, before your foolishness killed him...but you can fulfil his destiny.

Luke - I will never join the dark side. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.

Snoke - The Jedi and their blind obedience. They have clouded your judgement with lies and half-truths, just as they did to your father.

Luke - The Jedi bring balance to the force by stopping the rise of evil, such as you.

Snoke - You think the Jedi understand the true nature of the force? Their knowledge pales in comparison to what I can achieve. I can teach you how to manipulate the force to answer to your will...to create life...to conquer death.

Luke - That's impossible.

Snoke - You under-estimate the power of the dark side.... yet you have felt its strength before, haven't you? Embrace your true feelings, and I will make you powerful beyond what you could possibly imagine. With my training, no one will be able to stop you...not even death itself. All life will bow to the rightful rulers of the galaxy...the Skywalkers, a creation worthy of bringing order...a creation that I brought into existence.

Luke - Liar!

Snoke - It is futile to resist the will of the force. If you will not accept your true destiny, then your nephew will.​

 

as an OT purist from since 1977, this kinda makes me sad, to be honest.

i love Luke, Han, and Leia and was in no way disappointed in the way they were used in the film. in fact, Luke's silent 42 seconds were epic for me. i couldn't have been more thrilled. Plagueis or not, the story has total continuity for me and the new characters are brilliant.

to be perfectly honest, i not only forgot Snoke entirely when the credits rolled, but continue to just hate him more with every viewing. i honestly feel like he's the biggest misstep in the film. and if he's our big tether to PT as Plagueis, it will be very ironic for me personally.

 

I was massively underwhelmed by TFA. I'm utterly bored by it now to be honest, apart from the funny Han Solo scenes.
The only thing keeping this trilogy alive for me is the notion that they might just tie it in with the rest of the saga in a satisfying way.
If Snoke turns out to just be Snoke then I will view these movies as a well-made fan film. It won't be canon to me. Only Plagueis can make this a true continuation.

Let me ask people this though:
Snoke does seem to have another identity. He is mysterious. We are being set up for a reveal.
Well, if he's an utterly new character with no link to anyone from before, then why not just tell us? If he's new, there is no great surprise in store.
What's more, Snoke's injuries were not caused during the conflicts we have witnessed so far - Serkis hesitantly admitted that. This means his injuries must've occurred before the prequels. So not even his injuries and deformed appearance can link to anyone we have met so far...that is, apart from Palpatine...

Bugger it, if he's not Plagueis I'm going to suspend myself above the Pit of Carkoon with a moof's head attached to my genitalia/be very very upset.

 

Watched it again last nite.... and that viewing fueled my earlier post.

 

This is really an excellent point, even perhaps indicative of a subtle problem with Snoke's characterization within The Force Awakens.

The feeling you mentioned seems to be what the writers might want a viewer to feel, based on how he was portrayed.

He's certainly not a likable character, and I can see how, for some people, he might not come across as anything intimidating (certainly not in manner of Palpatine in either the Original Trilogy or the Prequel Trilogy).

You could almost feel sorry for him (and perhaps this is by design, if the writers are brave enough to bring about an ending based on compassion not aggression).

I think that potential lacking in Snoke's overall character might inspire the Plagueis debate onward, until we learn more about his actual past and identity.

Snoke's frail, slow, barely-clinging-to-life characterization in The Force Awakens might resonate more with viewers (and convey an intensity that can otherwise be regarded by some as deficient) if that state of being is due to him having a background comparable or equivalent to Darth Plagueis.

Then he could seem more ominous to some viewers, as Snoke's appearance and low key mannerisms could then suggest a far more powerful and complicated past (as already provided in the Plagueis reference in Revenge of the Sith) while leaving us with the understanding he had sustained himself in this fragile mode, for so long, through his mastery of the Dark Side, just so he could return, supersede Palpatine's power and agenda, and perhaps go on to achieve immortality.

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