SPOILER Definitely NOT Luke Skywalker

Exactly.

 

It isn't a cyborg... and the mask can cover a beard. The "contractual beard" that is being so famously touted in the media could very well be done for the purpose of helping the illusion. When you see the Dark Knight, people will not think it is Luke because they know he has a beard... he has been telling EVERYONE...

And the picture is a conceptual piece of art... the decision to have Hammil grow a beard had not been made at that point, and may have been made for that reason...

Nobody else is talking about the contractual obligation to grow anything or diet or whatever... he has, and that alone makes it notable...

 

I really wonder if Making hadn't speculated so much - would anyone think it's Luke?

I feel like some are convincing themselves based on what they had in mind after reading dude's analysis.

None of it looks like Luke to me.

I could be wrong of course

 

He didn't speculate... he has a source who told him that...

 

When I first saw this:

I thought, for some reason, that it was Mark Hamill.

But then I seen him look like he belongs on Duck Dynasty, and thought that there was no way it was.
Now I'm thinking it's Gleeson because nobody has heard anything about him in the filming.

 

Shhh let those who claim it's Luke be haha

I am still firmly the man in the iron mask is Driver

It could possibly be Gleeson, but the rumors are mostly he is a Skywalker/Solo. I personally believe he goes dark side and has a redemption in IX, but I'm one of if not the only believers in that theory

 

I think Gleeson is Skywalker's son who wants to live up to his grandfathers legacy and wears Vader's Helmet, and Driver the Aristocratic Relic hunter. I think they are both antagonists but for different reasons.

 

I am thinking it is Luke specifically because he has gone all Duck Dynasty... it's been hyped do publicly that I am thinking there is a reason he is throwing it out there... and it isn't to show he is a Jedi, we already know that

 

I had Gleeson's fall before VII at first but now I think his fall will come at or after the end of VII based off of events at the climax. I think the explanation won't be "I want to be like grandpappy" because I feel that is a weak reason to fall to the dark side. Now your father dying or even say killing your uncle? That will fill you with some good old fashioned Sith Rage

 

I'm not seeing Gleeson as the 'Grave Robber' as evil or Sith, just a vigilante type, Star Wars' version of Zorro or Batman. They both have a lot in common, masked men who fight crime but government see them as a nuisance or criminal. The Government being the Alliance.

 

I will be very surprised if we have a Zorro/Batman type character in the film

Edit- And I don't think he's the grave robber either. I stand firm on that being a mask Driver wears to do evil things. But I think Driver is Disc 1 Boss, the real evil will be revealed in the climax and it will toss aside Driver for true apprentice (Gleeson after he fails to get Ridley)

 

I LOVE the idea of this supposed villain uncovering the mask of Vader, and the concept art of the half disintegrated helmet looks so good, but WHY would a villain bother to go find it?

There's no secret power there, and I can't see it being a clue as to Luke's whereabouts, or a way of bringing Vader back. If it's a character who's simply obcessed with Sith memorabilia, or Darth Vader, that doesn't seem like a very strong concept.

Theres only a couple of explanations I can think of: its sentimental/emotional value to the villain in question. In which case it could only be Luke or Leia. Or it is indeed an ancient Sith who was simply looking for clues as to what happened to the Emperor and Vader. Maybe he knows nothing of Luke at that point.

(Sorry if I'm raising points already beaten to death!)

 

The third order theory is that there is a third order beyond the Jedi and the Sith who have remained behind the scenes for the entirety of the Sith-Jedi war. They collect artifacts, among them Luke's old lightsaber and Vader's helmet for unknown purposes. Driver is a part of this order, his master will be revealed to have been shadowing Vader and Luke during the battle at cloud city and fetching Luke's hand and lightsaber

 

Have you read my supposition as to who/what the Grave Robber is?

http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/the-plot-of-episode-7.139/page-3#post-7998

 

Mark and Carrie had to get personal trainers and nutritionists to be a certain weight for the film.

 

Yes... but they haven't gone around talking about contractually obligated weight loss...

 

That sounds interesting, but collecting artifacts for unknown reasons weakens the theory. If they were under the radar all this time just collecting and not interfering, then the plausibility of them coming out of their shell and being villainous enough in ST is not likely. If that makes any sense..

 

Let me put it this way, Vader didn't have a good image, and Gleeson, as Luke's son, dons the mask and takes the law into his own hands, which attracts the attention of the new government. Since Vader was known as evil Gleeson tries to change his grandfathers image by doing good. There is a contrast between what is seen as good and evil, like Zorro or the Dark Knight, Batman. It is similar to any alter ego in marvel comics.

 

Here's where they come in to play. The unknown reasons thing comes from the fact it won't be apparent to us, or maybe we will know and I'm just mistaken on that part. But in regards to why they come out of hiding, they think that balance comes from the Sith and Jedi having equal power (which is wrong but oh well). Well the Sith were wiped out so they have been steadily trying to rebuild the Sith order. I don't believe they are going to be the main villains, that I believe goes to a mysterious dark force entity that is manipulating Adam Driver to hunt for a young force user (Boyega and Ridley).

I also have a separate theory from the third order that there is somehow a Sith army (wickermen of MSW fame) and they are part of the secret weapon plot theory with Moraband/Korriban. If you're curious I posted my theoretical plot synopsis on the episode 7 plot thread

 

I don't think we should rule out the possibility of cloning playing some part in the ST. The tech exists and has been used in SW films. Any character in the films could be cloned. Any character strong with the force would be a candidates for this Grave Robber. I don't know how I'd feel about it being Anakin, but the idea is initially intriguing. He'd be holding his own clone's burnt up helmet in that one pic. I also think how Hayden C. is directed has an impact on his performance. It sort of seemed like he was working a little James Earl Jones into his performance in Clones and Sith - Not in voice depth, but maybe speech patterns...."There will be no one to stop us this time!"? No?