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SPECULATION Does Kylo blow up his mom?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Colonel_Ender, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Colonel_Ender

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    The title says it all. I have been talking about this, and some have told me that Leia gave him that “Mom look” and that made Kylo spare her. But no. I don’t think so. I think that he hesitantly blows up his mom, then he completely loses it. Snoke gets mad at him for not doing the job right, then Kylo throws a tantrum, smashes his helmet, then runs away from Snoke and the First Order.

    What about you guys?
     
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    No, he won't. He can't blow up his mom "hesitantly", you saw how he killed his father, he had to prepare for it. And clearly, he can't handle doing the same thing to his mother. One huge mistake was enough, Snoke won't trick him twice. I don't even think he'll go on a mission to kill his mother, I think she'll just happen to be on a ship he's supposed to attack. Which will make him abandon it completely and then smash his helmet.
     
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    That scene supposedly takes place earlier in the film, at the battle of D'Qar.

    Some shots heavily imply Leia makes it to Crait.

    So, not sure if he eventually ends up killing her, but the trailer is pretty much confirmed as misleading in that scene.
     
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    Official databank of SW.com:

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    Official script:

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    JJ's Blu-rey commentary:

    "People have asked me if I think that Kylo Ren was just playing with him the whole time, if he meant to kill him from the beginning. And the truth is, I think that Kylo Ren in this moment is actually being convinced to walk away from this. Snoke is, as Han says, using him. And I think that somewhere Ben knows this. But I think that he can’t accept it deep down. He has gone too far. [...] But I don’t think that in this moment this is a put on. I think that Ben is legitimately going to give up. [...] “Thank You.” In Kylo’s mind, what he has just done seals the deal. It’s the ultimate proof to Snoke that he is to be trusted, that he will not be seduced by the light. And I think, the instant that he’s done it, he regrets it.”

    From Aftermath Empire's End:

    "When Ben cried, Han tried to comfort with a small tooka doll but this filed to pacify the baby. Leia heard a son crying. When Han said that it was not his fault, Leia reassured him that babies cried. Han sensed that Leia had a connection through the Force that he could never have with Ben. Han suggested using the Force but Leia advised him to pick up their son and snuggle him. Han reluctantly snuggled his son and Ben stopped crying. When Han sighed that he could never have the same Force connection, Leia told him that fathers had a special connection with their offspring"

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Han_Solo

    He won't kill her.
     
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    No, the trailer gives it away. The space battle is set at the beginning. Crait is set to be at the ending of the movie. Leia is present at both locations. So, she can't die during the space battle.

    Btw these shots don't even match with each other. Just look at the people at the background. They don't seem like people who are just getting attacked.
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    There were actually TIE fighters flying in the background and the ship seemed to shake.

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    I agree with what the others have said--I think this takes place early in the movie and she lives on to be in later parts of it (Crait). And as @Niamor details above, Kylo Ren is just as conflicted as he was before, only this time he knows how futile it is to assume that killing your parent is going to make the pain go away. In fact, the opposite happens.

    The "Mom eye"TM ;) is Leia and Kylo Ren communicating via the Force, similar to what we saw Leia doing in Empire with Luke. And we know from Aftermath: EE that she and Ben have this kind of connection through the Force. (I am looking forward so much to seeing the in-movie context for this scene!)

    I also think Kylo Ren's tantrum with the helmet is either 1. knowing he couldn't pull the trigger and he's failed again or 2. after he gets his rebuke from Snoke for not pulling the trigger. Or 3. reconsidering why he's doing this whole 'Snoke's lackey" thing at all.
     
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    Nope...he won't be able to do it. It might've been easier with Han as boys seem to mostly have "father issues" (from my perspective) because they are the rulemakers in the family and boys are most likely rebel against them first...but not moms, so no...he won't be able to push the button.
     
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    Right, the bridge of a Capital ship is a different environment than, say, a trench in the middle of a battle. Just because it appears relatively calm doesn't mean its not engaged in the middle of a battle.
     
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    No
     
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    I 99% believe that he would not kill his mother, but the other 1% says what if they recut it so that she did die due to Carrie's death? And we all know there is only like a 50/50 chance that the clip of Leia on Crait makes it to the movie anyways.
     
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    He's a mama's boy just like Grandpa. No way he'll, as u creatively called it, "blow up" his mom.
     
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    Even if this scene plays out in the same way its shown in the trailer, there is no way Leia get killed here.
    However, this does NOT mean Kylo will hold his shot : even if he fires, he could very well only cause limited damages, especially if he doesn't get a clean shot* (and let's not forget the Raddus is supposed to be a very sturdy ship). So, at best, this shot can only injure Leia.

    This is consistant with the persistent rumors from last year, about Leia being out of commission for half of TLJ : this would be the perfect explanation for such injury.


    * in this case, i anticipate a lot of annoying "he missed on purpose" arguments.
     
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    I think he will miss on purpose
    SCNR
     
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    I see him either deliberately missing or delaying in taking the shot (and some other FO vessel takes the shot instead)
     
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    Highly unlikely. The three scenes (Kylo smashing his helmet, Kylo preparing to shoot, and Leia sensing something) may not even be related. However, if they were, then it may be that Kylo is angry because he was scolded by Snoke for not making the shot.
     
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    No he doesn't because Rey will not look at him never ever and he will end in a eternal black hole without turning back.
     
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    Considering Leia was supposed to play a major role in Episode IX and they said they didnt change anything in VIII following Carrie's death, Im going to say no.
     
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    If (kylo ren) fired at(leia) & even if the shot only haves a slim chance of blowing up the Raddus bridge, then that's it. KR is past redemption.
     
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    I don't think Kylo kills his mom. He CAN'T kill his mom!
     
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