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Does Rey being 'sold for drinking money' make sense...?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Chewie, Dec 30, 2017.

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    Even the villain.

    But I guess that was her reason for going right to dark side hole. Or was that because she saw there was nothing but herself in the dark side hole. I mean this movie for kids is so deep and complex. It was totally deep because she constantly says she is no one for 2 movies and suddenly the bad guy tells her she is no one. So deep, she can't even remember what her point in the plot is from on scene to another.

    But no she is the forces reaction to the dark side. So deep and meaningful.

    I can't wait to see what she will do in the next story. She learned so much from Luke's sacrifice she did not see.
     
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    We also never saw Luke's power scare Yoda.
    I get the sense that some people don't really want to engage in civil debate.
     
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    For what it’s worth I thought the way they handled Rey’s family was actually the best way to go. It would have been really redundant if there was another “I am your father moment"
     
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    It All Makes Sense Now
    • Think of Unkar Plutt as a very low level Hutt type.
    • Post war, Jakar is in the middle of nowhere.
    • Plutt is a junker that is capitalizing on post-war Jakar, all the wreckage from that war but he needs a workforce that he has COMPLETE CONTROL over.
    • The solution- buying slaves or something very close to slaves, which is a VERY common theme in the Star Wars universe.
    • The flashback scene of Plutt taking possession of a young Rey
    • All the shots of her daily life, junking for food only, the supervisor telling her to get back to work.
    • The shot from above, her looking as a slave or trapped person would, to the sky, to a place other than slavery and Jaku.
    • The lack of protection by ANY Kenobi style characters at all. She is 100% on her own.
     
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    Hold up - are you implying that abused children can’t actually be loveable and this justifies their abusive parents behaviour?

    Weird. Can’t her parents just be horrible, selfish people? Have you ever read Matilda?
     
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    Not when it's over basic things that can be observed.
     
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    Isn't that Ridley's favorite movie?
     
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    And it's the one Daisy kept comparing Rey to in interviews leading up to TLJ. That was a big hint at Rey's origins.
     
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    I skimmed this thread, so I may have missed the answer, or I may have missed it in the movie.

    Do the junkers who supposedly sold Rey have names? If not, has anyone asked Pablo Hidalgo if that will be answered before Episode IX?

    His answer, or lack of one, might give some clues.
     
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    Given her vision it doesn't make sense to me. The ship flying away could be sold part by part, for a lot more than some scrawny little girl. You could just use your ship to do transports for a fee. You could rent it out. If it weren't for that vision, it might make sense; but the vision doesn't support the proposition.
     
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    You could, but you'd be stuck on Jakku. Its possible the parents had no idea what to do with a strong in the Force kid. Sorta like how some people view magic in the Dragon Age franchise. They wanted nothing to do with a Force sensitive child.
     
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    Those are both good points. I suppose I'm going by the information given in the movie which ties her being sold for drinking money. So whatever Rey may be worth, it doesn't make sense to me that with a ship like that you couldn't get drinking money with relative ease, without having to sell your kid.

    Maybe Andrew like you say it was more of an issue with not knowing what to do with a force-sensitive child and that would make sense; but in these there's nothing given onscreen through which I can make sense of the information. If we just go by our own ability to imagine scenarios then, sure, Rey being sold and her relative freedom on Jakku make perfect sense from myriad speculative angles.
     
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    No it does not .
     
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    Sold her off for drinking money and flying away... Don't drink and fly, people!

    Anyway, I think that Kylo was lying to Rey.
    Jakku seems to be a pretty good place to hide a kid from someone/something. As Luke said: "that's basically nowhere."
     
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    Not necessarily true. There is one setup that does just that, and its called Aristotle's Tragic Hero. It was put forth by Aristotle thousands of years ago.

    But for this to be that type of story, Rey has to lose most of her power by the end of 9. The point being to start the hero off strong, drive the hero low through a mistake and a loss, and then build them back and have that process ultimately show them what they need to do to ultimately win.

    Anakin could be considered a tragic hero, but never really a prototypical version of one. If done right, Rey should be a more prototypical version of the archetype.

    But just because she starts out strong doesn't mean its bad writing. Its simply how this type of story goes in order to provide a contrast when she gets driven low.

    Unless they aren't going that way, and then yes... its lazy writing.
     
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    It wasn't a surprise to me but we can ask ourselves why she's asking her this question right now and not when she was on Jakku. Maybe if she asked Plutt she would have known before. The wisest place to search was on Jakku not on Acht To where there were basically noone.

    And just putting 2 hours of the plot on this question and having this answer is weird.

    It's like putting up a crew to find a ring and watching them coming back 2 hours later saying ... There was no ring or having Luke searching for Yoda in ep V and finally getting back to Bespin saying ... I didn't find him.
     
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    Its as good an explanation as any.

    The bigger question, were those people she knew of as her 'parents', her biological parents? Or just the people who took care of her before trading her for liquor?

    And given this is a PG-13 affair, the logical outcome of being 'sold' as a child to someone like Plutt isn't covered. At best, they'll give good reason why he didn't mess around with her.

    I thought the idea that as their ship was leaving scene of TFA, the next unshown scene was she pulled it out of the sky with The Force and crashed it, killing them, would have done nicely. You could easily make a case that the investigators wrote it off as an accident(Flying Under the Influence?), but Plutt knew better. From then on, he guilted her about having killed her parents, to suppress her powers, while playing things straight up, as he didn't want to get sent to the cornfield.

    That, at least, would have made sense.
     
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    He asks Rey rhetorically in TFA "your just a scavenger?", as if she's expected to be something more or as if she hasn't lived up to her true potential. It doesn't seem to add up with "your parents sold you off for drinking money". She was quite young in the vision when she calls for her parents to come back. Perhaps she showed great potential BEFORE this event? If she showed great potential before this event then she must have been at least recognized for her FS abilities, but by who? Her parents must not have known any of this unless or unless they just didn't care if she was force sensitive or not and they just wanted a means to buy booze. It just doesn't make sense IMO.
     
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    I think Kylo was embellishing. (Since he himself has never been poor.)

    But I have no doubt they were poor downtrodden scavengers who would sell off their daughter for a meal.
     
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