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Does Rey being 'sold for drinking money' make sense...?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Chewie, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Darth Chewie

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    Kylo tells Rey her parents where junk dealers that sold her off for drinking money...

    Assuming Rey was sold on Jakku(based on the vision in TFA), does it make sense that she was 'sold' and therefore is someones 'property', and yet she seems to live in complete autonomy from everyone else and enjoys a reasonable amount of freedom on Jakku?
     
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    Yes. It makes sense because she doesn't have to be connected to anyone. Anyone who has grown up not knowing their parents or worse left abandoned can be someone just as much as anyone who has a silver spoon. Kind like Kylo who has this chip on his shoulder. Who thinks he has a right. She is Kylo's opposite, yet both were lonely.
     
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    Is there a GFFA-Lexis Nexus for legal definitions of slavery, property rights, federalism, and equal protection?
     
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    It's funny. Because Rey was going to do the same thing to BB-8 for a months supply of portions.
     
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    She could have been sold and resold, and her owner died. She could have been given the opportunity to gain her freedom. Many explanations can account for her not being an actual slave as we know it. Whenever there are years of story that can get filled out, it's much simpler to answer these types of questions.
     
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    Good point... but, not quite what I was asking. One interpretation of Kyo's reveal of Rey that she was "sold off", is that she was a slave? If yes, than why does she seem to be quite independent and 'free' on Jakku (in relative terms of course).

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    Yes, perhaps she already worked off the 'drinking money" and was set free?
     
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    Excellent point.

    The owner of her could died....
    Maybe Rey payed to her freedom....
    Maybe Kylo was lying....

    There are a lot of posibilities. I don't need anwers for every detail in these movies. Same with the Snoke past.
    Sometimes its good to use your own imagination.
     
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    Exactly this. I'm fine as long as there is time within the context to come up with a plausible answer instead of shoe horning one in because it is integral to the story they want to tell. If they can't write that story because it doesn't make sense (within the established lore of that universe), maybe they should rethink their script.
     
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    Personally, no. "I" think it's what Kylo was both "told", and the notion was cemented in his mind as "fact" based on what he saw in Rey's memories.
     
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    Oh, I understand now. Sorry. I misundertood.

    Well she was independent to a point from what we gathered, but she still basically was at the mercy of Unkar Plutt. He also at anytime was able to call in reinforcements. Like when he wanted BB8.

    So she was a slave to the environment and to working for food. And to Unkar, but he just probably felt she was no threat, so he didn't worry that much unless he got out of line. Which she did in TFA by sticking up for BB8 and Finn
     
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    Don't worry, it will be explained in the next episode. Just like with everything in TFA that got explained and resolved in TLJ. ;)
     
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    Don't forget that Anakin and Shmi were slaves as well and their living conditions were quite decent for an enslaved person.
     
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    Throughout human history, there's actually been many examples of slaves who lived under decent conditions, sometimes more than decent. Except for that they were, well you know, slaves.
     
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    Slave versus indebted servitude.
    Personally I don't think either will turn out to be true. Kylo was trying to anger her.

    I still think she's Luke's daughter. Rey's theme song is the inverse of Darth Vader's theme and the Skywalker theme plays for her.

    Did Luke trade her to get drunk off the Milk Creature in TLJ? Yuk.
     
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    Except Anakin was told what to do, when to clean the shop, when to leave, you must race my pod. You know. It was explained Qui Gon had to hide the fact the pod was Anakin's, otherwise he couldn't bet Watto for it because it was already his property.
    They had implants that would blow them up if they ran off. Typical stuff you would associated with slavery.
    It's not clear Shmi does in her day to day slave duties.
     
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    I think this 2 nobody ,and not just any nobody but a 2 drunkard child maltreatment scum ,are not worth the record in the archives of the Star Wars canon.

    Dark side clouds everything.

    The journey to episode 9 and their true identity ,has begun.
     
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    And Rey wasn't told that. Instead, if she hadn't collected junk she would have starved. Seems like slavery to me.
     
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    Ah yes, the central problem in the natural world. Do something for food or starve. Sounds like slavery.
     
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    Unkar was the only income provider in Niima for which Rey could have worked. The amount of foodstuff he paid her allowed for the bare minimum of survival and allowed no one to expand their skillset and/or move to a different place with better job perspectives. In such a situation, yes, Rey was Unkar's slave.
     
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    She was doing more than just surviving

    CONTINUED: REY FINN Good shooting! Thanks! I-- Now that was some I don't know! -- I've flying! How did you flown some ships but I've do that?! No one never left the planet! trained you? No one? Your last shot was dead That was amazing! on. You got him with one (beat) blast! You set me up for it! (laughs) (cocky) It was perfect! That was pretty good. They're just staring at each other now, seeing something odd and weird and wonderful -- two people totally inexperienced in joy and camaraderie. Bb-8 BEEPS something urgent -- she turns to the droid, kneels.
     
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