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Does Rogue One Improve the PREquels?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by RoyleRancor, Dec 19, 2016.

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    For godssake, Cassian straight up murders a dude and kills a ton of Saw's soldiers for his own cause. It isn't until he has the crosshairs LITERALLY on Galen's head that he changes his mind.
    K2 is basically willing to let Jyn die haha.
    Baze is just out there killin anyone taking a crack at Chirrut.
     
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    This is a great post. So true.R1 only shows us what could have been. I would reboot the PT immediately and restore the OT to its original form and then add some cool timeless details to it .
     
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    It will never happen on film. I'm pretty sure Disney just wants to move on. Nobody would disrespect Lucas and the stories he wrote while he is still alive.
     
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    I've seen it twice. Yeah, I liked it that much. But I don't think it's perfect. Just because YOU think it's flawless, don't expect everyone to agree with your opinion. I'm not the only one who feels that the movie has its flaws. Perhaps you should consider that not everyone on this earth think the same as you.



    Star Wars has been filled with flawed protagonists since the beginning. It's nothing new.
     
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    1. Never said it was flawless. It isn't.
    2. Several times you've gone out of your way to belittle it in a way that makes it sound skeptical you actually watched it.

    As noted by this quoted of yours:
    I suspect they would prefer if those protagonists were ideal, near ideal or overcome their flaws; because those are the protagonists they want to identify with and PRETEND that they are just like those characters. The Prequel Trilogy gave audiences a taste of what humanity is really like. Movies like the Original Trilogy, "The Force Awakens" and "Rogue One" gave audiences the fantasy or wishful thinking

    Arguing that Rogue One isn't about humanity and the grim realities of war, is to me, a clear sign you either didn't see the movie or are just being woefully ignorant in defending the PT because reasons.

    I like to think you aren't the latter.
     
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    Let me get this straight. Just because I had commented on the movie's flaws, you automatically questioned whether I had seen it or not?



    You know what? I'm not going to bother to explain my opinions. I'm tired of people making assumptions about my opinion, because it doesn't match theirs.
     
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    TFA didn't shy away from anything accept an original plot. ;) but seriously, the new characters barely think the events of the OT are real, i wouldn't be surprised if they haven't heard about fall of the republic at all.
     
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    You aren't even discussing the flaws of a movie. You are just not describing the movie.
    You are now tripling down on this.

    If you want to discuss the flaws, that's fine. I've discussed them.

    Saying that it's "wishful thinking" and "near ideal" and not about humanity, you are just wrong. The entire movie is about humanity and sacrifice.

    None of the characters are "near ideal" or "wishful thinking characters"

    And are you really gonna complain about a character finishing a story arc inside of one film?

    Your complaints don't sound like complaints that sound realistic ones to someone who saw the film or at least didn't decide it was going to have these problems before seeing it.
     
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    Im an OT guy (old guy), and I thought R1 helped the OT more. I dont think it hurt the PT any...just didnt affect it any, that's just me.
     
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    I agree with you. Although the Obi-Wan allusion by Bail Organa brought a piece of the prequels into the OT era, which I think is a good thing. Does doing that help the prequels? I guess not, except to give some elements a bit more legitimacy.
     
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    I agree with this. Didn't make it better or worse.
     
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    Hell, I forgot ALL about that! Well there ya go, maybe it DID do something for the prequels. Kind of brought them into the fold, and somewhat out of the cold by including them, or at least something of a mention of their existence.
     
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    It was definitely the one to more or less embrace the prequels rather than shy away from them.
    Mustafar, Bail, a heated political debate...
     
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    There was more emotion from a droid in R1 than anyone in the prequels :D

    K-2SO <3 :cool:
     
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    Once I get the rogue one blu ray, I'll do a ROTS, RO, ANH trilogy viewing over a weekend :).
     
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    Personally, I'm partial to a R1>ANH>ESB trilogy viewing, lack of a happy ending be damned!
     
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    Rogue One has nothing to do with the prequels. Rogue One is not a main Saga Episode film.
     
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    Your second statement is nominally correct but your first is not. While R1 is billed as a standalone, that's kind of disingenuous. At the risk of sounding obvious, the plot ties in to the prequels (Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Hayden Vader/Mustafar, even Tarkin and of course the Death Star) as well as the OT saga (Tarkin, Vader, DS, introduction of adult Leia, Tantive IV, prologue to ANH).
     
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    I say....it somewhat improved the prequels but what really did it for me was the moments when Jimmy Smitts as Bail Organa appeared...we have a face to the man who will forever be known as Leia's adoptive father who perished during the destruction of Alderaan. I had no problems seeing him appear...and to top it all off, I love that they brought back the actress who was originally supposed to appear in RotS but her scenes were cut. Mon Mothma. It was great to see her. :) I didn't mind the nods to that brief run in on Jedha with that Dr whats his name and Pumba. I love that we got to see Vader's castle on Mustafar...while I like the name Vjun (wasn't it the original name for Mustafar?), there are no words why Vader had the castle be built overlooking the very place where Anakin Skywalker died by the growing wrath of Darth Vader and left for dead by his former friend and master, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    I feel it enhanced the OT more because of how it fits into context of the story we all know how it picks up after the battle of Scarif. I love that we got something new - meaning new planets, new characters, alien species and not only that, but it was great to see familiar faces like Tarkin and the nod towards the end of Leia's exchange with Captain Antilles. :)
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    Oh and Yavin IV:)
     
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    They are both prequel movies, and Rogue One ties itself more closely to A New Hope, so I would make the argument that Rogue One devalues the prequels a bit, as it replaces a part of the prequel's purpose (to set up the originals) and does not rely on any elements significant from the prequels. So no, Rogue One didnt make the prequels "better".
     
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