SPECULATION Ep 8 lead character death scene

just some clarifications:

5 years. at most. probably less. in fact, technically, zero since firing on the Hosnian system was the first large-scale act of war from the FO.

maybe. it seems to be the goal, but we know he's not exactly listening to Snoke on this.

they're looking for the map to Luke and have no interest until they flub that mission up.
then Hux brings it up that they should destroy the Hosnian system, and Kylo Ren is not exactly okay with it; even more so when Hux and Snoke decide to take out the Ileenium system (it's suggested in the movie, more explicit in the book).

kinda too late; Abrams and Driver have both stated that this is the seed of his essential motivation: a sense of abandonment and betrayal by his family.

fair enough, but others are clearly interested.

 

Based on the following snippet in Rolling Stone's recent feature on Oscar Isaac, I don't think it's Poe.

I do agree that Hux may die in VIII. I also have a feeling that both Leia (and/or?) Luke could pass on by the time XI is done. I wouldn't be shocked.

 

Voice of Admiral Ackbar has passed in real life since the last film. Wondered if he would even be back, or voiced by someone else.

 

maybe you misunderstood my post. it's been 5 years (maybe 6 tops) since Kylo Ren has existed. we know this because of Bloodline.

also, Kylo Ren is 30 years old, tops. he was born nine months/one year after Endor and it's now 30 years since (Hidalgo has said he's 29-30 and Rey is 19). we do have these exact numbers based on the timeline. also, the "fight" hasn't started (there is no war, no battles have happened at the start of TFA).

yes, they might want more info, naturally, but their primary concern is getting the map. they don't really care about the Resistance at the moment. the point is he's not gathering information to "attack rebel strong holds likely to contain his mother." that's explicitly not his job. his job is to get Luke.

fair enough. i'm just saying what Abrams and Driver said. they might know more about the movie than we do, but sure, let's call it speculative.
if it's not useful, fine. i'm just making statements about what's been said. other people can draw their own conclusions.

the timeline. you described Kylo Ren working against "his mother [as] the leader of the force he's been fighting for the last 15-20 years" and i clarified that "Kylo Ren" is literally about 5 years old as a persona and there's no war that he's been fighting against. those are pretty indisputable facts based on the known timeline.

 

Probably he'll have a non-speaking part this time. Maybe it'll be mentionned in the movie that he lost his voice. Booooo dark humor.

 

I am sure there will be a nod to him in the credits, in remembrance.

 

Not really. Luke received only basic training from Yoda on Dagobah, and even then he failed the most important trial: the cave. Yoda warned Luke that if he left for Bespin, he would never complete his training.

Luke called himself a Jedi Knight in Return of the Jedi despite not completing his training, and Yoda pretty much laughed at him and told him he hadn't earned that title yet. He had to confront Vader and 'defeat' him in order to prove that he had learnt enough during the three years by himself.

Remember, Luke can still train Rey as a force ghost, or via a hologram or holocron. If none of those were to happen, Rey can still undergo a spiritual journey just like Luke. She is at an ancient Jedi temple after all.

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They'll just use his it's a trap line again, but this time make it raspy so he sounds old. Unfortunately, he doesn't survive the trap this time!

 

For me, by the end of Episode nine, either Luke is dead and a redeemed Kylo is alive or Luke is alive and Kylo is dead. Or possibly both are dead.

After everything that's happened between them, (even if they team up against snoke),
There's no way both come out alive at the end of the ST.