Episode 9 Director Says Reys Origin Will Be 'Profoundly Satisfying' But Will It Be Revealed In Ep8?

I think we will find out like luke did in TESB. I think something bad will happen to Rey to where Luke will intervene and will slip out from him. I want Luke to be Rey's daughter. George wanted it originally to have Luke to be a father and mention Darth Vaders grandchildren. I like TFA so I would be mad if she is or isnt. its a good damn saga.

May the force be with you always...

 

Maybe Luke found a way to manipulate midichlorians and made Rey. This would explain one of the reasons why Snoke fears him so much

 

In order for an underdog to be effective they must be cheered for. If people are rooting for your villain and booing your hero you are a bad writer.

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Why do people want a repeat of one of the most cheesy aspects of the PT? Why is no one seeing how crazy these theories must go in order to explain Rey's ridiculous learning curve and how that's a problem?

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So I'm getting from all this that we must

1. Have underdog villians that need to work towards success.
2. Have the main character be a female clone of a male character or a force birth.
3. Introduce reincarnation
   
4. Continue on this trend of Rey being some "Uber-Jedi" because . . .reasons.

Does anyone else want to add to VIII? It isn't yet the worst SWs movie pitch I've ever heard. We can do better!

Maybe we should add Jaxxon. Or Goofy? Why not Goofy?

 

I don't see it that way,

underdogs don't need to be cheered for, heroes need to be cheered for. A villain doesn't need to be super powerful in order to be a good one.

I think it's entirely possible to have an underdog villain and still have him/her be hated.

 

Think about what you're saying. You know what villains tend to be underdogs?

Cartoon characters.

Wile E Coyote, Sylvester the Cat, Elmer Fudd, Tom.

In a serious story you don't want your villains to be failures. It defeats the point of having them and may invoke sympathy and kills tension in ways you didn't intend.

You think some people have a distaste for Rey now? Just imagine how much they will if she makes a habit of beating the villains like Tweety.

 

Listen Uncle Ruccus, underdog villains don't need to be failures either.

And it's not like villains that draw sympathy is a bad thing, it actually offers a new perspective for the audience.
But if losing tension is a problem then don't have the villain fail. The kind of underdog I'm thinking of is one that makes the audience assume he/she is at a disadvantage but that doesn't mean the under dog has to fail.

Now obviously Rey won't "make a habit" in beating the villain, since heroes need a moment of humility at some point. However I don't think that Rey will even beat Kylo in the next movie due to the fact that Kylo wasn't even 100% but that's for a different discussion.

Oh and thanks for throwing out that Rey vs Tweety bit at the end, out of context that line sounds hilarious.

 

I don't like how the parentage almost feels like a rehash...I mean, do we HAVE to know? Tell the story of what happens and not the full story of the characters. If JJ a wants his mystery box, then that's how it should be .

 

Maybe the big reveal won't be that Luke is her father but who her mother is...

 

Very good. . .You watch TV. *slow claps* Though I do believe he spells his with a 'k.'

What's the point of an underdog villain? Really? Whats the bleeding point of a set of bad guys that have more to prove to the audience than the protagonists in terms of validation, that no one believes can win? Even if they do win? How does that help us leading up to the conclusion? How do they serve their purpose?

Storytelling done right at its core is the manipulation of emotion. So when I talk of sympathy I'm talking about sympathy for the aims and goals of the character. People naturally side with people they believe cannot succeed. They naturally disregard "villains" they don't see as threats. And they secretly wish to undermine the unbeatable.

So having an "underdog" set of bad guys will just muck up their purpose to serve as a believable threat and source of conflict against the protagonists. And why? Reasons?

Playing around with the idea may work better for a less straight forward work like a TV show, but this is Star Wars.

 

Or LUKE is her mother...

 

My thoughts on this:

- You're right, it wasn't Rey parents who left her in Jakku, but LST has nothing to do with it or she would not end up with Plutt
- I bet my house that Rey parentage will be an issue in "Rogue One"
- The Rey Parents reveal must be taken in Episode VIII or it will become extreme anti-climatic and shaddy over Ep XIX
- I think the possibility that Rey and Kylo are Brother and sister is very, very, thin because Leia, Han and even Kylo would already recognize her
- Despite everything pointing to Luke being her father in my opinion in here lays the big plot twist, like Vader's "I Am Your Father", there will be a big surprise/reveal over Rey parents in Ep VIII, Luke is off course involved with this but is not the actual father.
- I would prefer Rey been a NO One, but she must be someone we know daughter to keep the dramatic flow for the next movies

Rey's parents are from the OT period, and for now the real possibilities for Rey father are:

- Luke Skywalker (must likely but to obvious)
- Han Solo (possible but have lost impact now that is already dead)
- Ezra from Rebels (actually a pretty good choice)
- Obi-Wan Kenobi (older but perhaps a grandparent - to many ifs here)
- Darth Vader (who can grant Vadr didn't had another child - nobody take this shot yet)
- Sith Lord Project (she could be a Palpatine or even Plagueis project - don't believe it for a second but........)
- Someone from a movie/story we don't know so far (ROGUE ONE?)
- Rey is Force Generated just like Anakin (i believe GLucas weird options like force generated people and force ghost are no more)

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That's the main reason i consider SuperMan don't work in so many levels, is so more powerfull than anything he must face, Superman can save the world while taking is breakfast and filling the crossword puzzles at the same time, that's not interesting.

 

are you stood behind a bull?
nostril deep. lol

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Do you think it should be a central theme of the new movie, her parentage, or a more secondary theme.
Rogue one tie in is a great idea, in some way.
I think obi wan was an unshakeable JEDI to the end and that would prohibit him from romantic relations.
Think he got cut in half so SHOCKER may not have had a penis?
Han and lea both met her and didn't seem to be aware of anything or even mention they had a daughter they don't see around her age.
i agree the rest seem good possibilities

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No witch hunt, here are my thoughts on REY

She has been abandoned from an early age, and had to scavenge for her meals day to day.
As a female in that type of environment she would have had to develop strong skills of self reliance and determination.
When we see her argue with the junker who has bb8, we see she is respected as a already strong character, because he gives her the droid.
we see her next fight two junkers, to keep bb8, and win (though she was armed with a staff).

Nothing so far out of the ordinary, they are establishing she can fight, having probably had to fend of people both as a woman, and so she gets the best parts off ships to trade for food (as seen with the junker who gave up on bb8). she's tough.

As we see later in the movie, we know some of this comes from an, as yet, untapped force sensitivity.

When she first faces Kylo Ren, she is completely out matched, he force holds her, then knocks her out and takes her for questioning.
We also see this happen agin, later in the movie, when they first meet in the forest. he sends her flying through the trees and she is again knocked out.

The fact that she has been established as a strong character doesn't mean super human, she is fallible and has been bested at least twice by Kylo Ren before the movie ends.

the exchanges she developed in

When kylo tried to read her mind, as with poe, she did what we would do, try to stop him, as a result of that, discovered she could stop him, and also do the same back. This was born out of necessity and made for a brilliant exchange between the two of them, it was essentially when the force really, AWOKE IN HER.
point rey.
Final scene, she also wins the last exchange up until the point they are forced to stop by the earth creating a casm around them, so no clear cut winner. and lets be honest in star wars you loose when your sabere hand is cut off or your dead.

Side note
Kylo Ren was also shot and wounded when they fought.

Conclusion.

I though she was well rounded with plenty of scope for a character arc and development. just don't be to hasty. lol

 

Can I call you Rob schneider as well? An origin story for your darn name would be much appreciated.

Anyways, this whole underdog thing was just a concept I had prior to knowing anything about the episode 7.
Obviously now, after seeing the movie and understanding more about the lead characters it would be odd to implement such a villain as THE main villain.

Also people naturally side with people they can relate too. So even if a character has powers beyond that of normal men, they can still have qualities that resonate with the audience.

And yes I know this is Star Wars, did you think I was talking about Batman V Superman?

 

If you let me call you Carrot Top. Lex has red hair, right? And I don't think anyone is using that name. I could be wrong though.

Maybe, but it's real hard to do that. What tends to happen is people idolize characters that are super powerful, but they never really relate to them.

You might as well been.

 

Fine by me Uncle Ruccus.

 

Wow nobody has mentioned the obvious... clearly she is Luke and Leia's kid.

 

Has thier been any confirmation of who has decided whose Rey's parents are? Was it JJ Abrams? Lawrence Kasdan? Rian Johnson? Michael Arndt?

 

Im sure her parentage was something discussed very early on, at least i hope it was. Probaly before Rian was involved, and maybe Kasdan too. Most Likely a descion by Arndt and JJ and approved by Kennedy.

 

but no confirmation about who decided so far?